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The Xbox One has a better CPU than the PS4…

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…But, and there’s always one, The PS4’s GPU is significantly better than the one in Microsoft’s console. Of course, this is hardly a surprise to anybody who’s actually paid much attention when the new consoles’ specs were being touted. Here though, is some hard proof, courtesy of Ubisoft, whose own internal testing has shown that for the purposes of general purpose computing – using the GPU’s as a way of offloading CPU tasks, the PlayStation’s 4’s hardware was nearly twice as good at the job.

A GDC presentation from Lead Programmer at Ubisoft Montpellier Alexis Vaisse, showed some interesting results. Ubisoft’s Motion Cloth, a sub-engine that does (as its name suggests) cloth simulation, was used as a way to test the CPU and GPU’s in the new and old consoles. Using the engine, they were able to do cloth simulation on a number of dancers. On the Xbox 360’s CPU, they hit a max of 34 before it all crumbled. Interesting, using the PS3’s Cell processor and its SPU’s they were able to hit 105 dancing ladies with cloth simulation.

On to the new gen, the PS4 was surprisingly only able to support 98 dancing cloth simulating ladies. The Xbox One, however, was able to handle 115. Offloading that to the GPU, however, produced quite startling results. According to Vaisse, they were able to get up to 830 on the Xbox One’s GPU. On the PlayStation4, however, that number was as high as 1600.

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In summary:

Xbox 360 CPU: 34 dancers
PS3s Cell: 105 dancers
PS4 CPU: 98 dancers
Xbox One CPU: 113 dancers
Xbox One GPGPU: 830 dancers
PS4 GPGPU: 1600 dancers

 

Much of it has to do with memory bandwidth, and that’s where the GDDR5 in the PS4 really shines. Couple that with the number of compute units in the respective GPU’s and it’s increasingly plain to see that the PS4 is a more powerful system. In the end, it means very little for consumers, as developers have to balance things between the CPU and GPU. It does imply that if any system’s holding back the CPU-bound Assassin’s Creed Unity from hitting 1080p it’s actually the PlayStation 4. In the long run though, as the generations drags on, you’ll find games looking better on the PS4 than the Xbox One, purely because it’s GPU is more than just a little bit more powerful.

Last Updated: October 16, 2014

98 Comments

  1. UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    October 16, 2014 at 10:39

    I wonder how well my PC would do in this test… Just out of interest.

    Reply

    • Michael Matusowsky

      October 16, 2014 at 10:42

      Same here :/.

      Reply

      • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

        October 16, 2014 at 10:46

        I am pretty sure my 3GB GRAM will under-perform against the 8GB the PS4 is packing, but it would be interesting to see.

        Reply

        • Johan du Preez

          October 16, 2014 at 12:25

          you only have 3gb of system memory ?

          Reply

          • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

            October 16, 2014 at 12:32

            lol! Nah… My graphics card has 3GB GDDR5 and my PC has 8GB DDR3 1333.

          • Johan du Preez

            October 16, 2014 at 14:33

            Yours will run circles around the consoles. Remember the 8GB on a sonsole is shared between the system and the gpu and its only got a total of 176.0 GB/s total system memory bandwidth.

            My 660ti only pushes 144GB/s memory bandwidth but my system memory bandwidth is just under 300 GB/s.

            My main system does have over 425GB/s memory bandwidth.

            You can test yours with: Parallel Memory Bandwidth Benchmark / Measurement

            http://panthema.net/2013/pmbw/

          • Gavin

            October 16, 2014 at 15:46

            Talking about running circles, how much did your PC cost, including your 660ti?
            A whole lot more than the odd R6000 one spends on a PS4 i bet.

          • Johan du Preez

            October 17, 2014 at 08:29

            i3 dual core = R800
            8gb DDR 3 = R1000
            Motherboard = R670
            GFX Card = R2000
            1TB HDD = R600
            Case = R400
            OS = Pirated

            Total = R 5470

          • WitWolfy

            October 17, 2014 at 08:43

            Eish.. Take it that GFX is probably a GTX 650? Can barely run BF4 on medium using that POS.

          • Johan du Preez

            October 17, 2014 at 08:45

            660ti it runs battlefield fine on medium settings at 1080p on 64player maps. It averages at 60fps but have the odd dip to the low 50’s

            Obviously no AA or Post processing etc.

            I can play all the console ports at full settings mostly as I am using it for my couch gaming with steam big picture. I have my main pc to play BF4 with.

          • WitWolfy

            October 17, 2014 at 14:28

            GTX 660Ti for R2000? I highly doubt it bro..

          • Johan du Preez

            October 17, 2014 at 15:24

            Sure whatever you say, Powercolour GTX 660ti R1989.00 from esquire.

          • Benjamin

            October 17, 2014 at 11:39

            Pirated OS? Why not steal the rest of the hardware. Then its free.
            Anyway, a payed for OS, and add a decent keyboard and mouse.

            It’s still going to be more than R6000. Plus you’ll sit up straight while Gavin in lying on the couch.

          • Johan du Preez

            October 17, 2014 at 15:22

            BTW what am I going to do with a keyboard and mouse ? Its for playing games that support controllers on steam big picture.

            And in my 20 years of being in IT i know of about 8 people that actually purchased a OS.

            PC folk pirate the OS get with the program.

            This is for couch gaming read my post before you comment and sound like a idiotic fucktard.

          • Mordarkeen

            October 17, 2014 at 14:35

            PC circle jerk. What is it with PC fans? Are they so insecure that posting what they have is supposed to make us all respect them? Lol sad.

          • Johan du Preez

            October 17, 2014 at 15:22

            I was replying to someone asking the price I see all the console peasants are here and struggling to read. Whats wrong cant you read text thats not oversized ?

            Now go and play in the sandpit with all the other kids.

          • ?????

            October 18, 2014 at 05:44

            And all PS fanboys do is go apeshit over sales and graphics, then troll the internet and the gaming industry because they either don’t have a good game to play or PSN is down. Its usually both.

    • MakeItLegal

      October 16, 2014 at 10:53

      i 2nd that

      Reply

    • Sir Rants A Lot Llew

      October 16, 2014 at 10:54

      MMmmmm. Would love to know

      Reply

  2. Alien Emperor Trevor

    October 16, 2014 at 10:41

    Consoles have specs? What does this even MEAN?!

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      October 16, 2014 at 10:48

      It means games are finally looking awesome on console and not just PC.

      Reply

      • RinceThis

        October 16, 2014 at 11:02

        Don’t fall for it! Oh man, too late 0_O

        Reply

      • Travi the Batman

        October 17, 2014 at 02:34

        Give it a year.
        No wait, it’s already happened.

        Reply

    • RinceThis

      October 16, 2014 at 11:10

      Short sighted?

      Reply

    • Mark Treloar

      October 16, 2014 at 12:17

      It means the old AMD CEO retired because he didn’t have anymore space under his mattress for all the money bags.

      Reply

    • Alecatt The Man

      January 2, 2015 at 21:05

      Ps3 is off the chain with the CPU

      Reply

  3. Ryanza

    October 16, 2014 at 10:42

    Only Geoff would turn numbers into Swan Lake.

    Xbox One – 1.75GHz CPU speed
    PS4 – 1.6GHz CPU speed.

    One and three quarters, dancing speed.

    Reply

  4. Jarrod Lane

    October 16, 2014 at 10:43

    So Geoff do you wake up or go to sleep at 1080pm #Typo :p

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      October 16, 2014 at 10:48

      peas per minute?

      Reply

      • Brady miaau

        October 16, 2014 at 11:17

        Never, ever admit to turning 30

        Reply

  5. Hammersteyn

    October 16, 2014 at 10:46

    PS3 CPU > PS4 CPU. Next gen se moer. Thank heavens for the GPU and the additional RAM.

    Reply

    • John Doe

      October 16, 2014 at 17:20

      Games are not really cpu bound and it is irrelevant with the GPU. The Xbox One and PS4 cpu’s are horribly weak so it proves that everything must be handled by the GPU. It makes little to no difference for Assassin’s Creed Unity. Ubisoft is lying. CPU tasks can easily be given to the PS4 GPU.

      PS4 and Xbox One CPU = about 100 dancers
      PS4 GPU = 1600 dancers

      The cpu’s in the Xbox One and PS4 are irrelevant with GPGPU compute. To claim that the PS4 is holding itself back because of an irrelevant cpu that is clocked a bit lower than the Xbox One cpu is completely delusional. The PS4 GPU more than makes up for that irrelevant 100 dancers from the cpu.

      This Geoffrey guy is a complete idiot stating nothing but BS. COMPLETE MORON lol

      Reply

      • Random Person

        October 16, 2014 at 18:06

        Tell this to StarCraft 2, Civ V and pretty much 99% of strat games out there… or games that doesn’t rely on prettiness to be a selling point.

        I will agree that from a certain point onwards, a CPU has no relevance… but to get too that point, i would say a CPU is WAY more important than a GPU… Correct me if I’m wrong here, but i am under the impression that a cpu at its core, still runs significantly faster than a GPU so there are certain tasks that a CPU still required. try it yourself, drop 15k on a top end GPU in conjunction with an i3, lets see if you can get that ohh so perfect 1080/60fps.

        Again people fall into the trap of expecting impressive graphics over everything else. I’m pretty sure UBI could have gotten 1080/60fps if they cut down on the AI, for example… heck, it could be that they are feeding us bullshit, i mean, this is the same company that said splinter cell conviction was impossible to develop on the PS3… BULLSHIT!! just compare conviction with Blacklist.

        The problem is, even if they give us a legit answer, be burn them for it anyway – because fuck logic and Ubisoft is the company to hate at the moment.

        so fucking what if the ps4 is stronger but the games look the same… the same damn thing happened while we had xbox and ps2…. when we had ps3 and x360 and now with ps4 and xbone… deal with it, because its not going to change

        Reply

      • Hammersteyn

        October 17, 2014 at 08:00

        Well name calling isn’t really a way to win an argument and I’m no technical expert so I have to rely on the news for my info and Alexis Vaisse is the one who did the test initially

        Reply

  6. Sir Rants A Lot Llew

    October 16, 2014 at 10:52

    Am I the only one here shocked that the PS3 cell processor beat both next-gen CPU’s?????

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      October 16, 2014 at 10:52

      What I said.

      Reply

      • Sir Rants A Lot Llew

        October 16, 2014 at 10:53

        Ah yes. I see that. I’m so glad there are 2 of us at least that are shocked by this

        Reply

        • Hammersteyn

          October 16, 2014 at 10:54

          I see there are two of that has actually read article 😛

          Reply

          • Sir Rants A Lot Llew

            October 16, 2014 at 10:55

            *Tinfoil Hat*

    • Random Person

      October 16, 2014 at 11:00

      Which is EXACTLY why I have no care in the world about what people say about the consoles.

      The PS3 was one amazing piece of tech, in theory it should have blown the x360 out of the water and on paper I think the PS4is a downgrade on the PS4… but it was the right system for the wrong job.

      When it comes to our industry, its not about the specs but the games, which is why Nintendo’s handhelds still sell and the PSP’s fails.

      It’s not about the consoles, its about the games

      Reply

      • Sir Rants A Lot Llew

        October 16, 2014 at 11:07

        Have to agree with you.

        Out of all the games at rAge which did I love the most? Splatoon. On the Wii-U. Which is the lowest spec of all of them.

        All about the game.

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      • John Doe

        October 16, 2014 at 17:28

        Did you just say the PS4 is a downgrade? YOU ARE A MORON

        The PS3 CPU was strong for it’s time but games rely more on the GPU. Devs didn’t take advantage of the PS3 CPU because it would make it extremely hard to port.

        The PS3 is nowhere near as strong as the PS4.

        You say specs don’t matter only because you have no clue what the problems were of the PS3’s cell processor. The PS3 had a weak GPU.

        Games are pure opinion. Better specs allow for better games.

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        • Random Person

          October 16, 2014 at 18:19

          I said on paper its a downgrade, you twat!
          The CPU is still significantly strong and yes – the problem was with the architecture again it was completely alien to the devs.

          That said, if it was so hard, how the fuck did ‘The last of Us’ end up on PS4 ?

          and let me rephrase in a way that your bias mind can comprehend..
          in a generation of consoles, for example, the PS2/Xbox/gamecube, the PS3/x360/wii and now the PS4/xbone/WiiU, that is where specs between systems have less relevance.
          OBVIOUSLY we need upgrades from one generation to the next because ‘fuck yea, progress’ but beyond that, as long as we are entertained, what’s the big deal if my console runs my games at a lower res than yours ? apart from the obvious “look at me and my awesome that is more awesome than your suckyness” teenage mentality ?

          Reply

  7. Ryanza

    October 16, 2014 at 10:59

    When I saw dancers and the Xbox One CPU with more dancers than the PS3 CPU, I knew this was Ubisoft bullshit.

    The PS3 CPU was really good and the main reason why the PS3 was so damn expensive (get two jobs) at launch. It was hard to program code for because every line of code had to be perfect.

    So just think about Ubisoft’s engines and lines of code, when Xbox One CPU is “better” than the PS3 Cell CPU.

    Anyway. Fuck Ubisoft. The Witcher 3 is coming.

    Reply

    • R00tness

      October 16, 2014 at 11:16

      And when it’s here, what then? It’s not like Witcher 3 is some prophesied messiah here to save all of gaming-dom… it’s a game with no DRM….that 90% of people the “ohh so master race” will buy on a DRM platform (steam), Projekt knows this. They also know that People will pay for a decent game and that people will always find a way to pirate. I also think they learned from UBI’s mistakes… If you can’t DRM in a proper way, rather not DRM at all

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      • Ryanza

        October 16, 2014 at 11:49

        My comment was not about The Witcher 3. Just have to say that.

        The Witcher 3, if you look back a few years, AAA, highly anticipated games with no DRM at retail, like as in no DRM, unheard of until The Witcher 3. Now fans of The Witcher 3 will be buying the PC collectors version at retail. All over the world there are incentives to buy at retail. In South Africa there is a Witcher comic and in other countries there are steelbooks, and so on.
        Fans on The Witcher and CD Projekt RED who wants to support the studio and company, will be buying the GOG.com version, if retail is not their thing. People know that when buying the GOG.com version, more of the money gets back to the studio and company, so even to some people, like myself who will buy at retail, will also buy the digital GOG.com version.

        People who don’t really care about the gaming industry. Not caring about the state of the PC market. Don’t care about developers not caring about PC development. People who don’t care about the state of the games. People who don’t care about half finished games, recycled games. People who just don’t give a fuck and only care about new, new, new, now, now, now, give me, give me, give me, fake value, fake value, fake value, achievements, those are the type of people who will buy The Witcher 3 DRM Steam version. So mostly the American crowd.

        Piracy. The Witcher 3 will be pirated. First thing you should know is that the pirate circle is not that big. And the pirate scene does not = loss of sales.
        Now there will still be people out there that has never heard of The Witcher before. Piracy can make a person like that aware of a good game like The Witcher 3 and if that person is a consumer of video games, then that might = a sale.
        There are also people who has to test out games before they buy. The Witcher 3 will be a good game and they will most likely buy.
        Then you have the people who will never buy. Not consumers of video games. Those people would never have bought the game. But they will be aware of The Witcher 3 if they did pirate and play the game. They will be aware of CD Projekt RED. And when those types of people become consumers of video games, that will be a sale to new CD Projekt RED projects and a sale to old CD Projekt RED titles.

        I don’t know what point you were trying to make other than push the DRM and talk about The Witcher 3 in a bad way. The Witcher 3 is a video game, not Jesus. I have never implied The Witcher 3 being holy in anyway or prophesied messiah as you put it. It’s just a game. A that will most likely turn out good because of story.

        Anyway. The Witcher 3 is coming. I’m sure God is even waiting to play The Witcher 3. Expect the world to end after The Witcher 3 comes out.

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        • Sageville

          October 16, 2014 at 12:06

          PAMBILE DRM! PAMBILE!

          Reply

          • Ryanza

            October 16, 2014 at 12:10

            eish. Hamba, DRM. Hamba.

        • R00tness

          October 16, 2014 at 12:53

          It’s always fun to read things that you agree with and
          disagree with 😀

          I know your comment was not about withcer 3, but you sure
          did end your comment with that…. Along with most of your comments 😛 I’m also
          fairly confident that witcher 3 is not
          the first game to be DRM *cough* witcher 1 and 2*cough* and I’m sure if id do a
          bit of searching I can find others as well.

          Fans of anything, movies, music, games, anything, will buy a
          turd if it had a logo of said movie/game/music on it (ok not literally but I couldn’t
          thing of a different example, sorry using a stupid one 😀 ) which is why I wasn’t
          talking about “Fans” but PC Gamers in general… I also state PC Gamers
          Specifically as if you buy witcher 3 on a console digitally it does have DRM
          included.

          I do however agree with you regarding Piracy… what you said was basically an extended
          version of what I said 😀 you get people that always Pirate, piracy doesn’t
          hurt as much as publishers want us to think it does and people pirate because demos are no longer
          created but it’s not as harmless as you make it out to be, what do you think
          will happen if only the ‘true’ fans of Projekt buy witcher 3 and the rest of
          the world pirates it? No more Projekt or they will pull a Microsoft pull a 180
          on their DRM stance.

          The point I was trying to make was… you are willing to blow
          off not just UBI, but EA and probably a whole bunch of studios because they use
          DRM in their games and witcher 3 doesn’t, it might sound like im pushing for DRM
          but that is just a side effect of not making an issue about it.

          In my experience, DRM haters are exactly the same people
          that want to legalize marijuana, it’s not about helping others but just make it
          easier and more convenient to get their fix.

          I am in no way saying that you smoke weed or pirate games!

          Just as I know for a fact that weed does have medicinal
          value, I also know that you get people that are vocal because they care and you
          get people that are vocal because of personal greed.

          You are correct in your statement in witcher 3 being a video
          game… unfortunately its being overhyped mainly because of it being DRM free… I
          played the first twoand I’m in no rush to play the 3rd one, because screw “The Witcher 3”

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          • Ryanza

            October 16, 2014 at 18:16

            The Witcher 1 was released with DRM at retail. The Witcher 2 was released with DRM at retail.

            The Witcher 3 is not being hyped by the fact that it will be released with NO DRM. I don’t even think the gaming media is hyping The Witcher 3 like the gaming media hyped Destiny and Watch Dogs. Most people can see through that such of hype machine.
            The Witcher 3 is being hyped by gamers all over the world. Gamers who have played the previous Witcher games, gamers who has seen the 40 minute gameplay demo, gamers who read the books, basically, if you a gamer and you have seen gameplay of The Witcher 3, you will most likely be hyped for the game. Having a feeling that it will be good vs being told that it will be good.

            People like me uses The Witcher 3 as an example of what true DRM free, retail product, such be like.
            The PC retail market needs to be saved. We need more people to be buying PC games. More PC game buyers means more support from big publishers and developers, more indie support which then leads to original, creative, unique, moving the medium of gaming forward at a much faster rate.
            That is why we need NO DRM at retail level, to get more people buying PC games. It’s as simple as that.
            We not saying Steam should go away. But go to Steam to buy your digital games. Don’t go to retail to buy your Steam digital games.

            You compared the NO DRM to let’s get high. lol. Do you see how you take important issues, being DRM at retail level, or the weed issue, and then you promote the worse point of views here on the internet.
            Weed slows down cancer growth and in some cancers, weed can stop cancer growth. Weed is non toxic and is 100% safe to use. That is all that matters. Weed slows and stops cancer growth. A junkie that just wants to get high doesn’t not even compare to the medical reasons why weed needs to be used.

            What else. People are consumers. We are brought up to be consumers. So using an argument like only fans buying The Witcher 3 and the rest of the world pirates the game, will never happen. Never happen. In that case what you will find is that after the world has pirated The Witcher 3, the world is going to go out and buy the damn game because it’s going to be a good game.
            I said the piracy circle is small.

            On the PC now a days, it’s not informed – don’t buy. Informed – buy. There is no more buying to try out. That is why you will find media hyping games like Destiny and Watch Dogs.
            Why are PC games released filled with bugs and unoptimized. The model now a days is to get people to buy, day 1, release. Look DRM, look DLC, look exclusive, the goal is to get you to buy day 1. Because once you buy a PC game, you can not sell it.
            So because of DRM the gaming industry doesn’t sell quality anymore.

            So fuck Ubisoft and EA and all those others.

            You right. Nothing is worse than Ubisoft and EA and Activision/Blizzard fans.

            Anyway. The Witcher 3 will be a good game. The Witcher 3 not having DRM = a valued retail product. The Witcher 3 not having DRM means that the game needs to be released near perfect because not all will be able to update with a patch.

          • R00tness

            October 16, 2014 at 19:09

            t’s not the media that is hyping witcher 3, you are correct
            it’s gamers and not the publishers, that doesn’t make it any better,
            hype is hype, no matter where it comes from, but if one of the big 3
            were doing the publishing, it would have been a different story.

            I can honestly say that at looking at game play, the game feels
            over-hyped and I, myself a fan of the world…

            …don’t really have an interest of playing it, I will buy it, because I want too
            support Projekt
            and the statue inclued in the collectors is amazing but that’s the only reasons why
            and I will feel the same way about this game even if it had DRM.

            I personally will buy a game only if it supports steamworks, because
            it’s a DRM that is done properly, I will not buy a game on PC that
            uses that bullshit excuse of software that UBI used in far cry 3, fuck it!

            This is a distinction people must make, between DRM done badly and
            DRM done properly.

            Yes, i used those two examples, (weed and DRM) But i used them for a reason.
            Both arguments have valid points, unfortunately both arguments also
            have people supporting them not for their the benefit of others, but only for themselfs.

            For example, Medicinal uses in the case of weed,
            or in the case of DRM, that it be removed because it does have a negative effect on our
            games

            You will notice in my reply that i do support legalisation of medicinal marijuana
            but do not support the people who are vocal about legalising it, just for them to gain easy access to it

            That is the same why I support DRM, as a way to prevent piracy, because
            this is an issue and if you truly believe it is not and this is something that is being
            blown out of proportion by publishers, go read up on games being pirates
            heck, for that matter go to a damn flea market!

            Publishers are using DLC and pre-order shit just as an alternative to
            DRM, Day 1 deals are working, those shitty access passes did not, which is
            why they are gone.

            All this said and done, i do hope witcher is a good game, its not appealing to me
            but i hope its a good game, because so far, everything else have been somewhat a
            disappointment

            Lastly, me using the “fans buying the game, rest of the world not”
            that was Purely hypothetical, as in, “what do you think will happen if…”

            People will buy shit, They will always find shit to waste money on, which is why freemium games make money but that is one argument i do NOT want to get into.

          • Ryanza

            October 16, 2014 at 19:34

            “I want too support Projekt ” lol.

            “You will notice in my reply that i do support legalisation of medicinal marijuana
            but do not support the people who are vocal about legalising it, just for them to gain easy access to it”
            Change comes from the people. Change doesn’t happen unless people stand up for what they believe in. Does the good outweigh the bad. Who cares if some1 is standing up to have a legal smoke when that person is also standing up another life to be saved from cancer.

            “This is a distinction people must make, between DRM done badly and
            DRM done properly.”
            You forgot to add one more choice. NO DRM at all. Your options are bad DRM and good DRM. lol. Give me no DRM. Not DRM or No DRM. What about DRM and No DRM.

            I’m sure DRM and NO DRM can live together on this planet. The Witcher 3 is coming with no DRM. There’s a start. Leave retail with No DRM and have the digital distributions have all the DRM. Problem solved.

            And The Witcher 3 is more of a story game than anything else. That 40 minute won’t get you hooked on the story. The demo was just an idea of what the game will look like and play like. I can’t wait for the epic story. I’m not sure what you looking for in The Witcher 3 but a story is what you will get. Lot’s of dialog.

            Have trust in gamer hype. Have no trust in media and publisher hype. We gamers don’t always get it right. These developers are changing their core values so much. But we gamers know who needs to be supported. CD Projekt RED is one of those developing studios that needs to be supported. For now at least.

          • Ryanza

            October 16, 2014 at 19:51

            Oh yes. Just to add. I don’t know what hype train you have been following, that you feel that the 40 minute demo is looked over hyped. But here on the Lazygamer comments section, we don’t really hype the visuals and graphics of the game.
            I hype the 100 hours of gameplay, the horse riding, the in-games content like lots of armors and swords and stuff like that. I hype the story and that your choices in the game can have different outcomes. Different endings.
            That sort of stuff we hype here on Lazygamer. For an open world game you can’t expect much when it comes to graphics especially on consoles. The demo showed us that the game looks fine for open world type of game. Bring on the story.

            Don’t over hype a product from high unrealistic expectations. Think logically and hype from there.

            When those bad pictures were released and everyone jumping on the downgrade bandwagon. Here on Lazygamer comment section, no1 really had anything bad to say about those pics because here we are waiting to play through the story of the game not play through the graphics of the game. So there is a more realistic hype here on Lazygamer comment section.

          • R00tness

            October 16, 2014 at 20:40

            I’m just gonna reply on both comments here:

            not sure if you loled at me for agreeing with you or if you think i’m a hypocrite or something, but I actually do care and support the industry, its just the people that are in the industry that gets my blood boiling 😀

            and if we could live in a DRM-less world, that would be great, but I personally think DRM is here to stay, and its an evil i can live with. Hence I prefer good DRM over bullshit UBI-DRM, and i accept the fact that i am alone in my opinion in that regard.

            Regarding my DRM/marijuana comparison, the way you say it, sure – save one life for a junkie to get his fix, great! sounds awesome

            unfortunately I deal with people daily who doesn’t give two shits about those people that actually need it, they just want an ‘excuse’ not to get into shit when they get caught, change do come from people… unfortunately people, in their nature are selfish sheep and will jump on any argument or agree with any statement that the majority follows

            Im sure witcher 3 will have a great story, for some… but it’s not a story i will enjoy, as i enjoyed the books, but story in the games, not so much.

            I don’t get hyped over games, yes i have destiny, yes i enjoy destiny, no, i didn’t buy destiny for the story, nor did I destiny because of hype, i got it because i love co-op shooters, are there any other co-op shooters on xbone that exceed destiny ? not that i know of.

            Please link me to the page where consoles had a GFX downgrade and the “master race”-idiots didn’t rub it in the faces of us console gamers ?

          • Ryanza

            October 16, 2014 at 21:40

            My lol was not a bad lol. Not laughing at you or anything like that. Just the way you wrote it was funny. Like a good funny not a haha funny.

            Selfish sheep following the majority. Well majority of people always trumps minority. If you look at the South African freedom struggle (not looking for comments on that one), Egypt and South America fighting against the government. Microsoft’s Xbox One DRM announcement and the outcry be many people. So people are willing to come together and fight for their rights.
            People can become complacent. I say no DRM at retail. You say good DRM everywhere. Someone comes along and reads these comments and leaves 50/50. Imagine every gaming website promoting No DRM and comments section promoting No DRM. Someone comes along and sees No DRM and will think about it.

            Why do you view weed smokers as junkies. Weed is not a junkie drug. Weed shouldn’t be labeled a drug at all. I would say alcohol is 100% worse than weed. Weed has zero addiction properties. The body will never crave for weed. So saying junkie is how you demonize and devalue the importance of a 100% safe cancer fighting plant with zero health side effects.
            I don’t care about a person who wants to safely go and buy a joint at PicknPay. I care about those sick with cancer.

            All I said was that I think the PS3 had a better CPU than Xbox One. And here I am talking DRM and weed. lol. I’m a junkie because I want no DRM. Wouldn’t DRM be the fix. I know DRM is the radiation therapy and No DRM is the safe and easy way to play the games.

          • R00tness

            October 17, 2014 at 00:53

            ^^ I thought so, but unfortunately the internet cannot translate the tone of voice that well, 😛

            I get what you mean by people not wanting DRM on their xbone… what i don’t is why you have people that make such a fuss about it, then turn around and continue playing their Steam Games… I cannot fathom that the people that made such a fuss about it, are not used to PC DRM, Xbone did fuck up for being TOO restrictive… 24 online check in! bit harsh…. if they just droped that too… say.. a month, we would have had a console with some pretty awesome features…..oooor it would have been the disastrous ^^ who knows.

            regardless, a point that I want to get across is that DRM is implemented for a reason, unfortunately the way it was implemented left us in anger and frustration, but there has been cases where it was successful… and then you have steam, where people just got used to it or got bribed by cheap games 😛

            Junkies is probably a harsh word, unfortunately that has been my experience with them, i agree, its not additive, but the people i know, and used to know create a habit, which i personally think is more dangerous than an addiction, by no means do i support being illegal, which i have stated now twice already, i only used it as an example of how certain people act on it, and i talk from experience, where they “fight” for it being legal for their own benefit, they couldn’t care less that you, or me, or anyone want medicinal uses, they want legalise it, just so they can smoke it.

            I myself have no problems with pic n pay selling it, heck i myself will probably buy some myself, what i do have a problem with is people being vocal about, saying it must be “legalised it for medicinal uses”, just so that they can smoke it whenever they want.

            The same goes for people who are vocal about having no DRM, you get people, like yourself, that are vocal about DRM because you see the harm in it, but you also get the people that act as if they want DRM removed, just so its easier to pirate a game.

            I also agree that the CPU of the PS3 is more powerful than the xbone’s CPU… heck, its even stronger than the PS4’s

            so yea… now to put into our games and weed perspective….

            Chemotherapy is DRM, weed is no DRM.

            I thought you were a junky that wanted weed to be legalised for your own benefit, but you turned out to be the cancer patient that doesn’t want to try Chemotherapy

            I must apologise for my assumption, but i do not agree that DRM should be taken off the table, as it has been successful in reducing piracy… even if it is a case, in my experience, were I’m not even bothered to pirate far cry 3, just because the whole thing pissed me off ^^

          • Ryanza

            October 17, 2014 at 08:06

            DRM is not about piracy. If you believe that then you have bought the lie that the gaming industry feed you. DRM has never been about piracy. Piracy is used to implement DRM though. Like a magician showing you one hand and doing something with the other hand that you can’t see.

            DRM has not stopped piracy. DRM has not slowed down piracy. DRM has not increased piracy. So DRM has zero effect on piracy.

            What did/does DRM effect:
            PC game users dropped and console users increased.
            Sales dropped.
            Blocked off certain type of people from buying games.
            No second-hand market. (this could be the major reason behind DRM)
            More games released with major bugs and unoptimized. Because people can’t sell the games and games can just be patched later.
            ect.

            I can go on forever about the effects of DRM. But it’s too early now and a Friday. Happy thoughts, The Witcher 3 is coming.

          • R00tness

            October 17, 2014 at 09:12

            So pray tell, why do they implement DRM, why would a company add in some sort of safeguard to stop me from gaining access to software I’m not supposed to, To make sure I give money to the evil corporation that spend years developing said software ?

            Not everything is some sort of conspiracy, sometimes things just are what they are.

            If I dev’ed games, I’d sure as fuck add in some sort of safe guard to prevent people from playing my game if they didn’t pay for it.

            Lastly, don’t even try to bring that “No second-hand market.” excuse in this conversation, You hate DRM because it hurts the industry yet you support a second hand market where the devs doesn’t even get a single dime for their work, bullshit to that, screw the second hand market, its something that should never have existed in the first place!

            Games are not getting released with bugs and un-optimization because of DRM, they are released that way because the devs have a deadline, publishers push them for that deadline and in most cases, the devs just fucking suck at their job, stuff getting cut to be released as DLC, thats something completely different, but buggy games has NOTHING to do with DRM and if you believe that it does, then you are just as much the fool as you think I am for believing that DRM is there to prevent piracy…

            Regardless! fuck yea, its finally Friday 😀
            I hope you guys have an EPIC Friday ^^

          • Ryanza

            October 17, 2014 at 10:03

            PC gaming used to be a free market. But now, who gets paid for nearly every PC game released? Steam gets paid. And there is your DRM reason.

            Hook line and sinker, you have been caught up by the DRM lies. If you can show me that every single game with DRM = no piracy, then only can I believe that DRM is there to fight piracy.

            Who gained the most from DRM. Steam. Who fought against Steam DRM. EA and Ubisoft DRM. Who learned the truth through experience about DRM, CD Projekt RED.

            The second hand market is really important concerning the sale of games day 1. The second hand market is important by getting people to waste more money on products that they might not bought or to try out a product, with the option to sell the product if the person doesn’t like the product, meaning more sales of first hand titles.

            DRM really has no place in retail. DRM is fine on the digital side of things as an option if someone so choices.

            CD Projekt RED, Witcher 3 No DRM at retail. Galaxy will be there to support their retail titles and Galaxy will be there to sell digital games. The 2 are separate, retail and digital, but complements each other.

            So don’t be blind to the fact that DRM is about making money and closing off of a free market. And who makes the most money out of DRM? piracy. lol.

          • R00tness

            October 17, 2014 at 10:59

            If you honestly think Steam gets 100% of whatever money PC games spend on games, on steam you truly are delusional.

            How about we find out from our local devs to clarify this for us, Free Lives Games and RuneStorm are local guys, the made BroForce and Viscera Cleanup Detail, they are both local, they both have titles on Steam… how about we get their input on this, LazyGamers Staff people… can we get something like this going ? Because right now, we are only talking about our opinion, neither of us have first hand experience in the matter, which makes our opinions less valid ^^

            Honestly, do you honestly think that we have game devs that case so much for their games, that they don’t mind not getting compensated for their efforts… that they will give out their hard work for free ? I highly HIGHLY doubt that.

            If that was the case, then there would have been more companies that would have followed in the steps of Projekt

            If I’m wrong, by all means, I will accept my mistake

            I’m not blind, I’m just not a single mindedly ignoring all the factors involved to why DRM exist in the first place, just because DRM is an inconvenience.

          • Ryanza

            October 17, 2014 at 11:36

            Wow take it to the extreme why don’t you. 100% lol even implying that I said that. lol

            Steam is a digital distribution network company whatever. Steam has no place being in retail. No place. Yet Steam gets a cut of nearly every PC game sold at retail.

            Broforce gets distributed through Steam and Steam gets a cut of all sales. And that’s fine and makes sense.

            That whole 100% comment and single minded blinded comment to your know it all piracy argument, made me realize that I’m wasting my time here. Clearly you in favour of DRM. You not in favour of NO DRM.

            Tell me. People living in the locations in this country with no access to cheap and stable internet and all those people across the whole world with no access to cheap and stable internet. Those people don’t deserve to buy PC games all because your experience with DRM has been good.

            If all can not buy a PC game or a console game and just play it, then DRM is not for the people.

            DRM has nothing to do with piracy.

  8. Admiral Chief 0

    October 16, 2014 at 11:05

  9. Admiral Chief 0

    October 16, 2014 at 11:06

    The scale is probably too small for PC results
    XD

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    • konfab aka derp

      October 16, 2014 at 11:32

      The GPUs for PCs can cost much, much more than a PS4, so no surprise there.

      Build a PC within the same price bracket as a PS4 and then do your comparison.

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief 0

        October 16, 2014 at 11:41

        Will still beat the socks off.
        😉

        Reply

        • Ricardo Harvey

          October 16, 2014 at 11:46

          Challenge accepted? Go forth and produce said gaming pc for R6299, including OS ofcourse.

          Reply

          • Random Person

            October 16, 2014 at 11:51

            Don’t forget the monitor and mouse/keyboard and for the PC and TV for the Console when you do the comparisons.

          • Aries

            October 16, 2014 at 12:47

            R25k tv sounds about right for the console

          • Mark Treloar

            October 16, 2014 at 12:19

            You realize this is entirely possible right? Challenge not accepted because too easy.

          • konfab aka derp

            October 16, 2014 at 12:38

            Throw in a blu ray reader and come back to me 😀

          • GalacticLordCaptainAwesomeness

            October 16, 2014 at 12:41

            you mean 6800?

          • Ricardo Harvey

            October 16, 2014 at 14:02

            Come on okes, lets leave the monitor and lcd out of this. But seriously, my brother is looking for a pc, so put together parts and prices quick. And Yes, R6299 is the budget, including OS and Mouse and Keyboard

          • KingsOfPwn!

            October 16, 2014 at 14:24

            For 6300… to be used for mostly Gaming?… Get a console! No driver issues, you know the game will work, it might look the same, but you pop in the disk, wait for the install and know the game will work. PLUS!!! lounge couch beats PC chair. hands down, everytime!

            The main reason The master race hates us console peasants… is because we game on a couch 😀

      • Johan du Preez

        October 16, 2014 at 12:28

        I have one and its runs circles around the ps4 or xbone. Oh and its 4 years old.

        i3 dual core 2.2ghz
        8gb memory
        1tb SATA HDD
        Nvidia 660ti

        It will be interesting but I am sure this machine will be able to do closer to 5000 dancers. Like they said in the article its all about memory bandwidth its always been true since the start of 3d.

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  10. konfab aka derp

    October 16, 2014 at 11:12

    And now we can see how Naughty Dog squeezed The Last of Us out the homely little PS3.

    CPU and GPU aside, the PS4’s ram pretty much annihilates the XBone

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    • Brady miaau

      October 16, 2014 at 11:16

      Yeah, in my mind everything else is fluff. Faster RAM? that wins, hands down

      Reply

    • Random Person

      October 16, 2014 at 11:47

      From a GPU Perspective, yea, TLoU was probably a squeeze, but from a CPU standpoint, this graph actually shows the opposite. As I said, the ps3 was/is a great piece of tech, but i was used for the wrong job.

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  11. veggiesaurus ZA

    October 16, 2014 at 11:49

    The clock speed difference is only 9%. The other ~6% probably comes from the additional latency of GDDR5. It may be faster, but the latency is higher. For CPU-heavy tasks, that’s probably more important.

    Reply

  12. oOqUiS

    October 16, 2014 at 11:50

    Wow the Cell in the ps3 did great…i think thats when SONY realised GPU power is the way to go….i’m still trying to wrap my mind around that Cell benchmark numbers…..DAMN!

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  13. Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

    October 16, 2014 at 12:03

    Cough! #straightensGlasses Lads, you do realise that statistically, there isn’t much difference between 98 and 113, whereas there’s a huge difference between 830 and 1600.

    So in essence, the correct statement is, Xbox One CPU is similar to PS4s, however the PS4’s GPU dwarves the Boner’s.

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  14. Sageville

    October 16, 2014 at 12:11

    To actually make a useful stat from this graph you need to look at the whole, i.e. how many dancers can the machine as a whole handle.

    PS4 = 98 + 1600 = 1698
    Xbone = 113 + 830 = 943
    PS3 = 105
    Xbox 360 = 34

    So if the Xbone does have a fast CPU, but overall that is meaningless given the fact that you’d offload most those graphic tasks to the GPU.

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    • Johan du Preez

      October 16, 2014 at 12:43

      spot on

      Reply

    • Aries

      October 16, 2014 at 12:45

      im trying to see why this ubisoft guy going on about the ps4 and xbone cpu when the ps3 cpu is just short of the xbones

      Reply

    • Random Person

      October 16, 2014 at 12:56

      HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!!!

      Reply

    • R00tness

      October 16, 2014 at 13:11

      Agreed, but not accurate as you lack the GPU Dancers for the PS3/X360… This just proves the point that the more powerful console doesn’t always win… the more popular console does. At the moment the more popular console just happen to be the more powerful one as well. Which was not the case last gen

      Reply

      • Sageville

        October 16, 2014 at 16:48

        I don’t think they could offload to the GPU in old gen. I Could be wrong…

        Reply

  15. Deeboy

    October 16, 2014 at 12:11

    Cloud compute infinite.

    Reply

    • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

      October 16, 2014 at 12:19

      The cloud is a lie!

      Reply

      • Deeboy

        October 16, 2014 at 12:21

        Yep. It is. That’s why they have demos.

        Reply

        • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

          October 16, 2014 at 12:25

          In Soviet russia, it’s not you that demonstrates the cloud, but the cloud that is a lie!

          Reply

  16. Nintenjoe82

    October 16, 2014 at 13:46

    I’m surprised this article hasn’t descended into a fanboy fracas.

    I bet most PC CPUs can easily beat the console just on account of their psu. I wonder if Wii U can beat PS3

    Reply

  17. John Doe

    October 16, 2014 at 17:07

    You sir, are an absolute idiot LOL

    Reply

  18. Xbox

    October 16, 2014 at 17:53

    It’s always funny when website writers pretend to be technical.

    Lets not forget that between when this was done (a few months ago) and now, the Xbox SDK has improved in leaps and bounds. It was still in heavy beta until the 2nd wave of games came out. The PS4, has not.

    The 11.3 SDK for Xbox One arrived this month, and it is great. If these tests were done again on the consoles are they are now, you will get a very, very different picture.

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  19. blunite

    October 16, 2014 at 19:34

    The defrence only increases ps4’s resolution or fps by a few depending on the game…I own both consoles and I don’t see any defrence at all.

    Reply

  20. Travi the Batman

    October 17, 2014 at 02:35

    Well, to be absolutely honest here… CPU processing power isn’t as important as GPU processing power in the long run.

    Reply

  21. Johnny

    October 17, 2014 at 06:05

    So were are the PS4 games that show this to be factual, that’s right you don’t now do we. You know why because this was a simulation not actual real world run test. Show me the games that prove this is what I say. Pfffff

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  22. kingbain90

    June 2, 2015 at 06:26

    They clearly didn’t use Xbox ones esram. That is why games haven’t been that big a difference. PS4 was able to handle almost twice as many dancing ladies yet we’ve seen no such thing in games that’s out. The best advantage we seen ps4 have is a slightly better resolution. (720p-900p on XO/ 900p-1080 on PS4) however some games gave had better frames on XO like AC and witcher 3. Why is this? Because it not that big of a gap when esram is included. Ps4 bandwidth 176, XO bandwidth 208.

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  23. jv110

    January 22, 2016 at 05:49

    But both XB1 and PS4 have the same CPU and GPU

    Reply

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