i think the difference btwn PC and XBOX is not too bad but the difference btwn PS3 and the too i quite big :tongue:

Meh,won’t stop the game from rocking!

I thoroughly enjoyed the PS3 demo of Mafia 2. I love the setting, the music and it actually got my inner-Soprano excited, especially after I shot a police officer in the face and stole his cop car (sniff… pure bliss).

However, since I’m still boycotting xbox 360 (just waiting for my elite to die), I’ll have to choose between PC and PS3, but I’d just like say, “Stupid grass effects that look so pretty on the xbox 360! It’s red dead redemption all over again… :angry:”.

Hopefully the PS3 version is not a “complete balls up conversion” like Bayonetta. I can live with less foliage, but if there are serious frame rate issues or graphical glitches, than I’m getting it for PC.

Take a chill pill ppl. The demo was out to the press long before E3 and they’ve had plenty of time to improve both crappy console versions ( Way to pick on the PS3 again when both have frame rate probs, jaggies and screen tearing galore).

Accrding to these latest PS3 screens and this article from gamespot. The PS3 version looks better which means the 360 version also must have had improvements since. Wait for the final build ppl. Follow the links or stay ignorant your choice as per usual.

http://n4g.com/news/582050/mafia-2-final-build-screenshots/com

http://www.kingps3.com/screenshots/view.php?album=Mafia 2&pn=&view=screen&file=Mafia 2/9995616_1281571017.jpg#viewer

Obviously the PC version though is still miles apart from the console versions so if you have a good rig then thats the way to go.

These pictures are old, with the code only 7 months old, the new pictures released today show the ps3 version, and it is compared with the xbox and there is no difference what so ever.Just to let yall know :alien:

Yes we should but not on 6+ month old demos. I just found it hilarious that both demos were pretty rough around the edges and ppl pick out the PS3 just as i found it hilarious that some losers slow down GT5 vids to promote negative PS3 news and gaming sites post it up as news without fact checking.

Anyways no worries it looks like both versions will be improved drastically by the time it releases so everyone should be :happy:

Are you even surprised anymore Bobby? We got fake GT5 vids yesterday and fake Mafia vids today and they say Playstation fanboys are the worst. Imagine how much effort and how much hate you have to have in your heart for something to sit and go through all that effort. It boggles the freaking mind!

I really doubt the lads at lazygamer are that vehemently anti-PS3 Ians (they’re merely reporting on what’s already on the internet. The Mafia screens and yesterday’s GT vid were picked up and commented on, on other sites too) and although I may come across as a PS3 fanboi (lol Console Apartheid), I acknowledge the limitations and positives of all three of the major consoles. It just so happens that I hate Microsoft more than Nintendo and Sony. :happy:

But that’s why we have you to keep them on the straight and narrow

Lans,go to bed. I’ts school tomorrow.

The PS3 is slightly more powerful because of its cell CPU Jaco but its a more difficult console to develop for since the Xbox uses very similar architecture to the PC. The multi platform games that look worse on PS3 are either usually because developers dont concentrate on each platform and optimize them individually or lead development on the 360. When they lead on PC or 360 then you get these ports that have slightly less details and in some cases frame rate problems. This is because PS3 has vastly different architectue to the PC and 360 and developers then struggle to port it across.

An example of a developer optimizing each platform individually is the new Game from ID software called Rage. It looks incredible on all platforms. An example of leading on PS3 shows the almost 100% parity between the console versions.

Xbox 360 exclusives vs Playstation 3 exclusives shows that if optimized Playstation games like Uncharted 3, Heavy Rain, Killzone 3, GOW3 and GT5 look incredible when compared with their Xbox 360 countrparts like Halo, Gears, Alan Wake and Forza.

@Aussious

- Firstly Blu Ray has nothing to do with memory. The only thing that Blu Ray allows is for more content and better uncompressed quality. Infact PS3 sometimes suffers longer load times if not installed because Blu Ray has a slightly lower read speed and has to read through more content than on a DVD.

- Secondly you are right if you take the CPU’s out of the equation then yes the Xbox 360 GPU is slightly better than the PS3 GPU. The problem comes in the fact that you believe The Cell and GPU act on their own while in reality some of the PS3′s GPU workload is offloaded onto the PS3′s SPU’s of the cell. When developers tap into figuring out how to work the two together you get games as stunning as Uncharted 3. The problem when porting across a Xbox 360 game to the PS3 is this memory bottleneck. The developers struggle to port across what on paper looks like a memory defficiency. Like i said though when developers do learn how to use the powerful cell in conjunction with its GPU by either optimizing the PS3 version or leading on it they get amnazing results and amazing parity like Rage, Arkham Asylum, Dead Space and Vanquish.

Its kind of a catch 22 for Sony Nick. If they released architecture similar to that which the PC uses then it would have been easier to develop for but at the same time we wouldnt be getting games like Uncharted2 and GOW3. I think the middle ground was Sony providing better dev toolkits, support and all of this sooner than they did. They gave developers way too little time to figure out this new architecture when PS3 launched. Four years on and really its not that often that multi plat games dont have parity. 99% of the games that dont find parity are shit anyways. FFXIII is a perfect example of what multi platform developers can achieve if they arent being held back by the 360. Infact Xbox 360 owners should be happy when PS3 is the lead platform because i promise you the Xbox version benefits in many ways.

The fact is though that me and you arent developers and shouldnt give a damn about their headaches when it comes to PS3 development. Either they should (a) not bother with the PS3 version if its shit or (b) create a great multi platform game on PS3 like Rocksteady did and they will get my money. The only reason anyone ever brings up the headaches developers face when porting to PS3 is to fuel fanboy wars. I dont see why we defend developers that announce PS3 ports to make more money and then release shit versions. They arent the innocent party here. They want PS3 gamers money then they must create parity its as simple as that and we should stop making excuses for them and stop blaming Sony. I think Valve is the best example of this. When they saw PS3 as a tiny revenue stream they pissed all over it. Now that its got almost 40 million consoles, is an open network for apps like steamworks and has more gamers connected online that can play for free than Xbox Live suddenly its amazing and they have found these developers that can tap its power.

I disagree. 95% of the developers complaining about PS3 were PC only developers last gen or just make shit games in general. Now they try to make a quick buck because of PC piracy and then complain when their shitty ports get torn apart by gamers. I think not. There are way too many ppl in this industry using Sony as a scapegoat this gen and funny how the best developers in the world just keep quiet and make games that look as stunning as MGS Rising, Dead Space, Rage, Crysis 2, Devil May Cry and so many others. Ive seen it quoted from 20 different sources that the PS3 is easir to develop for than the PS2. Makes you think doesnt it.

Well let me start off by rubbishing you claim that 360 owners gain anything from developers using the PS3 as the leading platform. FFXIII is a perfect example of this it looks absolutely crappy on the 360 as compared to the likes of 360 heavyweights such as ME2, Alan Wake, Gears 2 and third party games like Assassin’s Creed 2, modern warfare 2 and Arkham Asylum.If it was feasible for them to lead on the PS3 they would but its not. Further proof of this is in Square Enix dumping the white engine aka Chrystal tools (a PS3 based platform) in favour of a “multi platform” based engine. SONY made alot of bad business decisions when it came to the PS3 and MS capitalized on that. All the best looking games on PS3 are financed by SONY were as with the 360 they are Unreal Engine based. MS has started a studio that will build a 360 based engine from scratch then if those game don’t match up to the like of GOW3 then we can talk. As for the Blu Ray having nothing to do with memory and rendering on the PS3, I did my research I know what I am talking about.Here are few articles that substantiate my point…

http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?forum_id=1&thread_id=52552&start=30

http://www.videogamesindonesia.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-36290.html

http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-General/Is-Modern-Warfare-2-killing-PS3-s/m-p/44523666

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9015658

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8126/Xbox-360-Embedded-DRAM-Spec-Confirmed/

http://home1.arts.ohio-state.edu/~clarke97/pj2/GPU.html

We are four years in now and middleware like Unreal abd Cryengine are all over the world. Even Insomniac made their game engine and tools free a couple of years ago. I dont know if you remember that story. Shitty ports should be a thing of the past. I really think there cant be any good excuses anymore. Platinum was a new starup dev so we can forgive them with Bayonetta. At least they got Vanquish right. Also im not gonna give 2KCZECH shit for the grass story. It didnt bother me and the game played fine. A little less jaggies maybe but that was all. At the end of the day though they are PC devs so it was kind of expected that the console versions would pale in comparison.

Ok MS fanboy the PS3 sucks and Xbox rules and Alan Wake, Halo 3, Splinter Cell Conviction and MW2 are all native 720P and the pinnacle of Xbox gaming. You win and this conversation is over.

@Nick: Dont get me wrong i loved Alan Wake and even though Gears of War at 720P native might look better Alan Wake definitely still oozed more atmosphere visually. I enjoyed most of those games i listed also. I was just informing our dear friend that its easy to point fingers at multi plat PS3 games may for almost indistiguishable differences in the games 90% of the time while most exclusives themselves on his favourite box he calls the pinnacle of graphical capability on the Xbox. He will just ppost more links to comments in threads where his friend said this and that so ill rather end the convo because im also starting to sound like an Xbox basher now which was not my intention.

Frankly as far as im concerned Gears of War is the best looking game on 360 and not much comes close. Maybe Crytek will do something special to top that with its new exclusive.

As for the PS3′s best looking games its a toss up between Uncharted 2, GOW 3, Heavy Rain and maybe GTA5 when it releases. I guess it also comes down to art direction for some. In some scenes GOW 3 looks to top Uncharted 2 for me but overall Uncharted is still the pinnacle to reach in console ( Not PC ) gaming. At least until Uncharted 3 releases next year.

The train level is just about one of the most impressive scenes ive ever seen in a game when compared to Gears of War and Killzone 2′s paltry train scene set pieces. When i first saw war torn Nepal i thought my God Call of Duty has upgraded its graphics engine immensley and i was surprised to see that it was Uncharted 2 doing a war torn city 100 times better than Infinity Ward. The same with Tenzins amazing looking village which gets blown to pieces in a later scene. The gorgeous ice caves and amazing snow. I can go on and on. I think when Uncharted 2 was released there was a massive gap. It might have gotten smaller but just imagine what Uncharted 3 will do. I cant see anyone topping Naughty Dog this gen because they are incredible. If they made a 360 exclusive it would probably be the best looking game on 360 too for me.

Speaking of Naughty Dog there was an episode of the Verge a couple of months back that interviewd a South African guy who works for them and he talked about how they recruited him to work on the art and character models if i remember correctly. It sounds like an amazing company to work for. He said they recruit the best talent from all over the world. Good to know that one of the Dogs is from our country.

I wonder what Jak would look like in HD. I mean Insomniac did a great job with Ratchet but you just know Naughty Dog would do something even more special with Jak. Its a pity we will never know though because they have created a monster and i cant see them ever working on anything other than Uncharted for the next decade and probably even longer. It would be cool if Sony approached Square Enix and asked them to create a collaboration between Crystal Dynamics and Naughty Dog to give us a co-op Lara and Drake game. Uncharted Raider for the win :biggrin: