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Flamebait Friday Debate: Is the Xbox 360 becoming redundant? Smoking
   August 20th, 2010 clock image 11:30 am

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This week’s FFD focuses on our old friend, the Xbox 360.

We have seen countless amounts of fanboys on the net claiming that the Xbox 360 is becoming redundant, and we usually shrug it off as the usual trolling you would see on any given day, but do they actually have a point this time around?

Sure, the opposition have their own issues, but today we look at the problems with the Xbox 360 itself.

One of the biggest stories of the week is that the Xbox 360 just lost its console exclusive of Mass Effect 2, which in my mind is one of the greatest games to grace this generation of gaming. Heck, I liked it so much I gave it my first, and only ever perfect score.

When it comes to a gamer wanting to purchase a new gaming system, is there any good reason for him to want to pick up an Xbox 360 instead of a PC or that other HD gaming console? The console competition’s (free) online network is getting better with every update and also happens to pack a Blu-ray player (which if you haven’t noticed, is becoming a pretty popular format).

Kinect is only looking appealing to families and casuals for the most part, the hardcore exclusives are either failing to impress or being lost and then there is the fact that it no longer enjoys being significantly cheaper than the competition.

To put it quite simply: If you didn’t already own any gaming systems, is there really any reason for you to want to spend your hard earned money on an Xbox 360 instead of the competition if you could only afford one?

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  • Jakes

    In my humble opinion the xBox is currently the best console on the market, PC’s has toooo many hang-ups and PS3′ graphics are inferior. The new XBox 360 250GB is a beauty to behold!

  • Fox1

    I think the realations between EA and MS are getting sour. Look at the list of Windows Phone 7 games, nothing on their is from EA. And getting a PC would solve getting the complete ME experience but ME1 Classics on 360 also comes with the free dlc and retails for R199 or so.

    Also it’s not that cheap to game from your couch in Full HD on PC. For R2499 you can get an Elite + Forza 3 + Halo ODST, two top games this gen that you won’t get on PC. Also don’t forget the huge back-end exclusive library.

  • Fox1

    @Nick- Mass Effect exclusivity may be gone but do you remember that new Crytek exclusive that was teased at E3? Codename: Kingdoms. And then Alan Wake has finally gotten up. So as one goes…another walks in :smile:

  • WeRRieS ZA

    Well I recommend getting both, I’m an Xbox 360 addict, but must say some PS3 exclusives knock the Xbox 360 out of the park.

    Sad news that ME2 are on it’s way to PS3, but hey they still won’t get to play the first installment…and the best game ever made….GEARS!!!… that’s right it’s staying where it belongs! :wub:

    Also Xbox LIVE is much more superior than PSN, much more userfriendly and just offers so much more! When Xbox LIVE is officially launced in SA I think the best console out there is still the Xbox 360.

    However as I mentioned earlier… if you can get both! Everyone needs a bluray player! :biggrin:

  • ewie

    Did the xbox loose its mojo when it lost Bioshock, No.

    Will it loose it with Me2 -, No.

    Both consoles have a space, and give you the same type and quality of games, so for someone getting a console for a teenager the xbox is still cheaper than the competition, you win some games and you add some games.

    At the end it is the gamers that win with this, because the more “Third” party games become
    available to more gamers the better it is for the developers.

    Take netflix for example, with it Microsoft added new features and content to the service , at the detriment of their own video marketplace. And this is one of the best things Microsoft have done is to add as much services and content to it.

  • Milesh Bhana ZA

    personally, i think that the PS3 is a better buy if you don’t have a console. Same price, same power, but with Blu-Ray. It’s almost a no-brainer.

    The XBOX has some awesome on-line features, most of which are still not available in SA (Netfix, ESPN)

    I still prefer the xbox, but that’s more because all my friends have xboxes, so I get to meet them on-line and borrow their games, making it far more cost effective.

  • eltonriley

    The only people who think the X360 is not dead, are the people that support it – but in comparison to the the PC and the PS3, there is nothing to it owning an X360 anymore. People still harp on about LIVE and GEARS as the defining factors that make it the better system. But that is merely clinging onto a notion in order to justify the ownership to oneself. If you have a PC and a PS3, you are more than covered and the X360 is a complete waste of time and money.

    Also, as you guys know I was a complete X360 fanboy but now that I am not, I can say this as well: There are a LOT of unspoken problems with the X360 that just never seem to make it into these discussions. Things that we never really want PC and PS3 owners to know. For example, the sluggish frame rate in ME1. The constant freezing in half of your games. Turning power off but nothing happens. Your controller buttons becoming jiggly. The unsightly power supply. The noise. Ok a few points are already known, but my point is in hindsite, I can clearly say that the X360 is given more praise than its worth, and is an highly overrated product.

    But if it keeps people like Fox1 and Jakes and Lazygamer occupied, and distracts them from joining the PS3 scene, then by all means it definitely must not become redundant. It has its place.

  • Steve Hofmeyr

    I got the PC, Xbox and PS3 but the PS3 gets the least play time at the moment. I just feel more at home on the Xbox, maybe because the majority of my friends have an xbox. When you think about it, the PS3 has all the advantages but I still play my Xbox 360 more, I don’t actualy know why. :blush:

  • WeRRieS ZA

    Dude, seriously?

    Those point you mentioned on the Xbox 360 are utter BS:

    “For example, the sluggish frame rate in ME1. The constant freezing in half of your games. Turning power off but nothing happens. Your controller buttons becoming jiggly. The unsightly power supply. The noise.”

    Dude, none of these statements (except maybe the framerate in ME1) are true! I’m on my 3rd Xbox 360 (1st, spilled beer on the console, 2nd sold to acquire my 250GB slim) and never have I ever had any of these issues.

    The PS3 takes forever to do the following:

    1.Power on/off
    2. Installing updates take forever, don’t plan on playing Uncharted 2 on date of purchase, the updates are insane!
    3. Too loud and noisy

    Noise! What noise? Seriously have no idea what you on about! I’m no fanboi, but both consoles have their pro’s/cons!

    Maybe the Xbox360 is becoming redundant, and time they release one with a bluray player? Only MS will know the reason for not doing it!

  • WeRRieS ZA

    Maybe cause the Xbox360 comes with a headset included? And we have GEARS!!!

  • Warren Leibbrandt

    is there really any reason for you to want to spend your hard earned money on an Xbox 360 instead of the competition if you could only afford one?

    HALO:REACH

    you put that in a PS3 it will xplode

  • http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne

    I have the PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii and I can get away with playing some decent games on my laptop as well, so I am pretty much covered for the moment, but I must say that if I had to only pick one to keep, I would cry a little inside. I love them all for their own reasons.

    I still love the fact that Xbox Live is a more friendly environment, and the fact that all XBLA games have demos, with party chats and all that really make it a great online experience. That said, the PS3 has free online play (but I really really think they should have included headsets in the bundles by now) and Blu-ray.

  • http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoffrey Tim

    Quite honestly? If somebody didn’t have a console, and was looking to pick one up – I’d more than likely recommend the PS3.

    As a “core” gamer, it’s possibly worth having all 3, just for the extra experiences each offers. but your average joe? Just the Ps3

  • http://www.facebook.com/jannie.theron pantsula

    Got an xbox and enjoying it, but if I had to buy now my money would go the other way.

    Bluray beeing reason one, got a HD TV now and lots of video shops are renting them now.

    The exclusives reason two, Gears never pulled me in, Fahrenheit rocked and would love to play Heavy rain.

    Don’t care for the whole Kinect vs move story, I’m enjoying my wii for motion.

  • WeRRieS ZA

    Something is seriously wrong with you people!

  • WeRRieS ZA

    You had enough beer! Please don’t post drabble when under the influence! :w00t: lol

  • WeRRieS ZA

    If I had money for just one console, I would do it again and go with my Xbox 360!

  • lolcats

    So because a ME:2 port is making its debut 2 years later on the PS3, the xbox360 is suddenly redundant? lol, seriously?

    The Move and Kinetic are a fail on both sides. I wanna sit on my ass and let my fingers to do all the work. If I wanted it otherwise, I would get a Wii.

    The xbox360 has some awesome exclusives, just like the PS3, yet 99% of multiplatform titles are better on the xbox360, latest example is Mafia 2 coming out. Framerate issues, screen tearing, inferior graphics etc… Either lazy coders or it’s a difficult platform to code on.

    Either way you look at it the xbox360, now with the slim is hand over fist better. Just look at the sales figures! For 4 years the PS3 has been saying “This is the year of the PS3″, yet it’s still miles behind.

    My PS3 is currently my media center and my ps3 exclusive (about twice a year) player…

  • .47.

    I’ve had a 360 since before it’s local release and a PS3 since the release of the Slim model last year. My 360 enjoys most of my playing time as I got the PS3 for Blu-Ray and worthwhile exclusives.

    I don’t mind paying for Xbox Live as the services offered and usability is much better than PSN and it’s really not expensive. The fact that you have to pay also reduces the amount of idiots you have to put up with when playing online.

    All that being said, if both consoles were released at the same time and price and I could only afford one it would be a very carefully considered decision as both have their pros and cons with neither really being superior.

  • ACID

    - Its because most of MS’s exclusives are third party and going to PS3 or first party on PC while Sony’s games are mostly first party and will never be on 360 or PS3.

    - You can sit on your couch with Move and Wii. I enjoyed Red Steel 2 just fine on my couch.

    - Times are changing and 90% of multi plat games are identical bar a few and vica versa like Final Fantasy XIII. Did it ever occur to you that 360 is holding back multi plat games like Arkham Asylum lookng like God Of War and Uncharted? Have you also noticed when developers lead on PS3 the Xbox version benefits immensely? Also stop deluding yourself Mafia 2 runs Shit on PS3 and 360. No one gives a shit about the grass. The frame Rate, tearing and jaggies look terrible on both so please take your blinkers off.

    - You can post as many figures as you want but the 360 is only 4 million ahead with a years head start and a cheaper price point. Quote me those figures again when the PS3 is selling at the same price as the Wii or 360. Interesting fact: The PS2 was cheaper than the PS3 at the 4 years stage of their console cycles.

    Well now that ive put the fanboy in his place heres my opinion on 360 being redundant:

    - No i dont think 360 is redundant but they do need to take a step back and try and figure out what it is they are trying to achieve. They dont have the resources to support PC gaming, 360 gaming, windows mobile gaming and the Kinect which they seem to be treating as a different platform to 360 entirely. Also its time to invest in first party studios. The screwed up by closing Ensemnle, losing Bungie, losing the PGR guys and closing many other studios. They need to build a first party team thats as strong as Sony and Nintendo’s. A good example of this is Sony .For all the exclusives they announced for PSP, Move and PS3 they still somehow had enough resources to be showing off first party games for PSP2 behind closed doors at Gamescom.

  • Fox1

    If i want blu ray, I can go out right now and get a player for R999.

  • Bobby Kotick is a fad gamer

    Same here, Geof. I would steer them towards the PS3 as well, however I don’t believe the old girl (xbox 360) is becoming redundant and regardless of my unsavoury opinions on Microsoft, their shoddy hardware etc., we’ve had some pretty superb games on the xbox, and hopefully there’ll be more in the future (preferably off rails – :P ).

    I’m also a multi-platform gamer and you really have to see the benefit in all of them.

  • Bobby Kotick is a fad gamer

    Sadly, WeRRies ZA I wouldn’t, too much beef with Microsoft to even consider handing over more cash to them.

  • piet

    Where?

  • http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoffrey Tim

    Makro *had* the philips Blu-ray players on special.

    They apparently sold like mother fuckin’ hotcakes.

  • Bobby Kotick

    Yes! Netflix is an awesome addition to xbox live (US), as is last.fm (although I prefer Spotify) and if you’re in the UK, SkyTV is pretty nifty too, just a pity we’re region locked in South Africa, and we’re definitely not getting either when Live (presumably-cautiously optimistic)launches here in December.

  • WeRRieS ZA

    456 It’s called Kinect…Kinect…Kinect!!! Kinetic is some lame watch!

  • http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoffrey Tim

    I wish spotify worked here without the need to spoof my IP.

  • Bilbo Teabaggins

    True Story: If you put the Uncharted 2 bluray disk into a xbox 360, it will RROD. Xbox 360 can’t handle the graphics of PS3 exclusives.

  • ACID

    I have to ask Fox1 since you seem to be the number one Xbox 360 fanboy on here. I always hear ppl talk about being able to only afford one console. I call bullshit. I used to only game on PS2 last gen and the amount of money i spent on games that werent worth owning was ridiculous. Dont you think if you just avoided buying 6, 7 and 8 out of 10 reviewd games you could buy a PS3, 360 and even a Wii if you really wanted one. Hell instead of playing something like Bioshock 2, Crackdown 2, Too Human, Banjo you could play Uncharted, MGS, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, God of War, The Last Guardian? It only takes you not buying 6 crappy games to be able to afford a PS3 and not be so bitter do you even realize that? I got to tell you i just :lol: at your comments when i compare my gaming lineup in the next 18 months compared to yours. Ill be enjoying Gears, Metroid, Epic Mickey, Fable 2, GT5, LBP2, Uncharted 3, Zelda, The Last Guardian and damn so many games that are tripple AAA that i wont be able to afford ths shitty 6,7,8 and 9 out of 10 games. While you are on here talking about how non AAA games look inferior on PS3. Makes you think doesnt it? I mean i can understand the impulse to be critical because you dont have something i.e For me im jealous of PC gamers because i would love to play the Witcher 2 and CIV5 but i wont go on fanboy rages and will never want to see the downfall of PC gaming. You seem intent on hating the PS3 and it baffles me why. You could be such a happier gamer as a multi plat gamer. PS my theory about saving up applies to PC also but i have other reasons for not wanting the hassle of PC gaming.

  • Bobby Kotick weighs in

    Spotify kept me sane in Sweden (keeps me sane here as well), luckily one of the developers who worked on it was also studying at the same högskola as me and he has kept my account active even though I’m now back in Africa.

  • Fox1

    Makro. If its sold out, get a raincheck or get them to get Dion Wired or Game to organise one from their stock.

  • Generic ZA

    Totally unbiased answer, No !

    Long winded flamebait answer, Every single console starts its journey to redundancy from the day it is launched. The redundant one with the YLOD function is a glorified paper weight that occasionally gets used as a blu-ray player while the the other one (not Wii that little box is not a console) the real gamers choice the XBOX will out live them all.

    Okay I’ve had my Friday fun you may proceed. :angel:

  • Fred

    Ps3 exclusives take the cake. No way to spin it otherwise.

  • lans

    Seriously i feel sorry for you XBox 360 disillusioned smurfs the writing is on the wall, MS is casual and does not know what its doing, it will take 2-3 years to build a credible first party ip the likes of halo and gears!

    They have not announced anything for the hardcore 2011, other than GEARS! so for the next 6 months next year they will be nothing!!! except GEARS? and if they announce in June what will it be?? they have not bought any new ip except for crytek exclusive and the rest is Kinect!!!!

    You Xbots really are idiots you gonna buy a new xbox for 3500, then Kinect 1700? then games?

    If u dont have the new xbox you gonna have to buy a kinect adapter which looks like it could cost R1000???

    Xbox is for ppl who cant count coz ur guys are being ripped off, only fools defend sinking ships, when sony makes mistakes, sony fans attack sony, sony listens and changes for the most part. When Ms makes stupid decisions Xbots defend their stupidity. I guess Stupid people dont know their stupid untill someone tells them, and yes any funny comebacks proves you got no originality and are also stupid!

  • lans

    Seriously i feel sorry for you GT5 disillusioned smurfs the writing is on the wall, GT5 is casual and does not know what its doing, it will take 2-3 years to build a credible first party ip the likes of halo and GT5!

    They have not announced anything for the hardcore 2011, other than GT5! so for the next 6 months next year they will be nothing!!! except GT5? and if they announce in June what will it be?? they have not bought any new ip except for crytek exclusive and the rest is GT5!!!!

    You GT5 really are idiots you gonna buy a new GT5 for 3500, then GT5 1700? then games?

    If u dont have the new GT5 you gonna have to buy a GT5 adapter which looks like it could cost R1000???

    GT5 is for ppl who cant count coz ur guys are being ripped off, only fools defend sinking ships, when GT5 makes mistakes, GT5 fans attack GT5, GT5 listens and changes for the most part. When GT5 makes stupid decisions GT5 defend their stupidity. I guess GT5 people dont know their stupid untill someone tells them, and yes any funny comebacks proves you got no originality and are also stupid!

  • Bobby Kotick weighs in

    I don’t know Lans, maybe they secretly love on-rail gaming? *wave wave* “Look Ma, I’m on rails” “That’s good Timmay, you’re a good boy”.

    Apart from Fable 3 (marginally interested)and Gears, there’s really nothing heading to the box that I would even consider (I know Halo is coming out, but I’ve never been interested in it).

    I’m kind of hoping that Microsoft will be doing a big reveal in the next few months, with new IPs and exclusives (highly unlikely – since they seem pretty much focussed on Kinect for the time being).

  • ACID

    @Lans: You will be happy to know that GT5 won game of the show at Gamescom. No surprises there really. Watch all the positive articles suddenly start popping up after years of a abuse :lol:

  • Fox1

    I go where games that interest me are. The games that you mentioned above show no appeal to me being xbox, ps3, ps2, pc, ps, wii, gamecube whatever. Its not about the platform. Its where I see interest.

  • Dooza

    If you are a hard core gamer, especially if you enjoy shooters then online is where its happening. I’m not a fanboy but in my opinion that’s where the Xbox outshines the PS3 and it’s one of the main reasons many a fanboy has stayed loyal to the console, if you wanna get a new console and your planning to play online get a Xbox, if you not bothered with online play than get a PS3

  • doobiwan

    They’re banking a bit much on Kinect and not delivering the killer apps to sell it. There’s a TED video of Molyneux and Milo which is really more the sort of thing I would like to see.

    PS3 is not to bad all things considered except for the ****ing aweful controllers, which are a bit of a deal breaker. They seem to put a lot more pride in their titles.

  • Potty391

    Stupid people fuel a flame war, stupid people use too many exclamation marks, stupid people are the only ones stupid enough to have the need to tell other people that their choice of console sucks.
    Stupid people blindly support one company which, given enough power will dominate the gaming industry with their own prices. Imagine the Xbox 360 did not exist, the PS3 would still be just as expensive as when it launched. Imagine Microsoft didn’t exist, what would have happened? There wouldn’t have been Windows, which most games are developed on at some point (before they are tweaked on dev kits)

    Stupid people don’t know how to spell. Guess what lans, you’re stupid regardless of what you say. If this is the first time someone tells you this… hold on, that is impossible, sorry for the error.

  • XxXH4RDC0R3XxX

    ARE U G4Y LUZERS FOR REAL!!! XBOX 360 IS THE BEST CONSLE EVAR!!! MY XBOX GAMER TAG IS XxXH4RDC0R3XxX & I WAM BETTA THN ALL UF U PISS3 PLAJERS. HOW IZ IT BETTA? HALO REACH! GEARS OF WAR 3 MUDERN WAREFARE 2 AND KINECT WILL BE BETTA THEN MOVVE BECOS XBOX IS BETTA!! YEAAH TAKE THAT PS LUZERS

  • Bobby Kotick

    :happy: You must speak the truth, son, because you have finally discovered caps lock!

    ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: You have used caps lock!

  • http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoffrey Tim

    WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?

  • Bobby Kotick

    That’s it, this kid is hardcore. I’m adding XxXH4RDC0R3XxX to my xbox friend list because it’s clear he’s a hardcore gamer. He’s so hard, he doesn’t even need to use caps lock to type in caps lock.

    ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: YOU’RE FUCKING HARDCORE BRU!

  • XxXH4RDC0R3XxX

    UR ALL LUZERS AND PRUBABLY G4Y! BAY!

  • Bobby Kotick

    Bay? Ok! Well… cheers to you too, mate and remember, stay in school and stop taking drugs.

    XxXH4RDC0R3XxX has unlocked: Bobby’s sympathy. :biggrin:

  • M@GE

    Fanboy Wars are always so, so entertaining. People, heat this battle up! Too boring!

    PS: Bobby, I’m breaking up with you. It just didn’t work for me, one of us is a Gaystation fanboy and one of us an Xbot fanboy, and as you know those 2 don’t mix. Sorry, but it’s for the better. Look on the bright side, I bet ACID is free, why don’t you 2 go play with your Move-sticks and see how it goes on from there? :heart:

    PPS: Bobby, I’m coming to fetch my Xbox you so aggressively bludgened with your PS3 controller. Please put the keys under the plant pot in the morning before work, don’t worry, I’ll lock up when I’m finished and return the keys. Thanks dear. :kissing:

  • Parker

    I own a 360, haven’t touched it in a while because of matric, but even if I wasn’t the exclusives I’d be playing on it is Alan Wake and Gears of War. Every other game I want for it is multiplatform. PS3′s exclusives sell it for me, they are truly incredible.

    Honestly I’d want both, coz I prefer the 360 controllers for FIFA and the above-mentioned exclusives, but if I’d have to choose…

    But no, it’s not becoming redundant. Yet. There are some great games coming out in the near future (Gears 3, Crysis 2, Enslaved) and those should keep me interested.

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