FFD: Do You invert, bro? 
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Geoffrey Tim
June 28, 2013 at 10:30 am

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No matter whether you play on consoles or PC, there exists another two subdivisons of gamers who just can’t understand each other; those who play with inverted controls, and those who don’t.

The topic came up the other day when I was having a chat with Erwin (not his final form) and he was shocked to his core to discover that I don’t like inverted controls. He expected, seeing that I’ve been playing games forever, that I’d use inverted controls, which are very old-school.

In fact, Duke Nukem 3D, one of the very first games to offer mouse control had “inverted” controls as the default – but I have to say, even then it felt alien to me – and I’ve never liked inverted controls. While I understand why it feels more natural to some people, it just doesn’t sit right with me – I prefer my mouse or analogue stick to point to where I’m looking, as opposed to being a lever extended out of my virtual head.

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The only exception to this is in flight sims and the like, where it feels more natural to use the thumbstick (or mouse!) as an extension of an actual flightstick.

So tell us; which do you prefer – and why?

I'm old, grumpy and more than just a little cynical. One day, I found myself in possession of a NES, and a copy of Super Mario Bros 3. It was that game that made me realise that games were more than just toys to idly while away time - they were capable of being masterpieces. I'm here now, looking for more of those masterpieces. I am also the emperor of the backend

  • eXpZA

    Normal for looking, invert for flying. There’s no other way. Burn any witches that oppose me.

    • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

      *AHEM*

      • Hammersteyn

        Thats right you’re first.

        • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

          COME AT ME BRO!

          • RinceWind

            Not the hammer!

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            I wish I could Invert the ban hammer

          • RinceWind

            Sim PLEH!

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            Thank you.

    • matthurstrsa

      I’ll get my torch.

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      I AM WITH YOU, MAN.

    • Hammersteyn

      Exactly.

    • ElimiNathan

      Same. Like BF3, must run and gun with normal look but invert when in a plane, in fact I’m pretty sure the controls are like that by default

    • CaptainNemo42

      What he said.

    • silverscorpio

      Yip

    • http://www.gamebargains.co.za/ Dave

      Yup agreed… anything else is heresy and sacrilege

  • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

    If you don’t invert you are a HERETIC I SAY!!!

    • Lord Chaos

      Agreed. It’s something to get used to, but once there you’ll wonder why you ever did it otherwise.

      • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

        It was the NORMAL back then, today its INVERTED

        • Hammersteyn

          But if it’s normal why call it inverted?

          • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

            IT USED TO BE THE NORM!!!

          • Trevor Davies

            and then they found the true path to control enlightenment. Come into the light!

          • Captain Minion TallTwit

            That’s me. :)

          • Marc O Polo

            this is norm! for those who remember cheers that is!

        • Lord Chaos

          “We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

          For he to-day that sheds his blood with me

          Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,”

          • Airborne

            Will? Will, is that you? Is it Saint Crispin’s day already?

          • Airborne

            Coolest quote in a while!

    • DBL_ZA

      Started off inverting and never went back. Being the only one in my group of buddies, I get given my fair share of grief over it…

      “Unverted” just never felt right. Always felt like I was going the wrong way

  • Nick de Bruyne

    INVERT 4 LIFE YO! That picture pretty much sums it all up for the Invert Army!

    • Hammersteyn

      The invert army has sticks on the back of their heads?

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      Your penises are inverted too!

      • Spathi

        How would you know, pervert!!

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          When i switch to inverted controls, i can physically feel my junk sucking up in to my body. SCIENCE!

          • Lord Chaos

            It’s a good thing too, else we’d knock off all the furniture…

          • Spathi

            Bwhaahhaahahahha – Tadaching!

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            SCIENCE!

          • Captain Minion TallTwit

            :D

        • Hammersteyn

          They invert.

      • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

        It’s like you have two bellybuttons!

        • Trevor Davies

          Should Erwin change his nick to Admiral Chief Inverted Wors?

          • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

            WINNER.

    • Spathi

      People who want a challenge play inverted. Games are too easy with up being up, and down being down. The Master-Handed Race plays inverted!!

      • http://xelusprime.wix.com/ettiennev Xelus

        Playing the other way around has become “foreign” to me. Its as if someone went and inverted my inverted controls. I look drunk when aiming like that, fools who play “normal” have been mislead by the false shepherd.

    • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

      AMEN!!!

  • Trevor Davies

    I hate inverted controls. But then I do weird stuff like use my mouse right handed at work but left handed at home. And when I played on arcade machines I used to play with crossed hands because I’m of the master-handed race.

    • Spathi

      FREAK!!!

      • Trevor Davies

        LIES! My mom says I’m unique :/

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      I also use a right handed mouse. But Im left handed.
      Trevor, are you my long lost brother? Do you know John Black and Marlyna?

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    Normal for looking about etc. Inverted only when flying.

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    People who play inverted are the left handed people of the gaming world

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Dont compare us lefties to these oddities!

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Hahahaha. #MyBad

    • Trevor Davies

      the term is master-handed race.

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        Scientific studies show that Left Handed people are better at life.
        FACT.
        They also have more chest hair.
        FACT
        And their eyes lasers can melt diamonds.
        FACT.
        I am just using the word fact out of context.
        FACT

        • Captain Minion TallTwit

          Again…

  • Ultimo_Cleric N7

    The only time Inverted controls work for me was in Space FLight games like Wing Commander, Freespace etc. Otherwise I hate them, ESPECIALLY in FPS games.

  • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

    Only time I’ve ever used inverted has been for flying sim games, my brain can’t process inverted controls, well not y-axis though. x-axis are okay

  • HvR

    “Duke Nukem 3D, one of the very first games to offer mouse control had “inverted” controls as the default”

    Remember I taped the Alt (if I remember correctly) down on the keyboard to have non inverted mouse control, I think they added a setting later on.

    I’m weird in that sense, mouse and keyboard not inverted, using controller thumbstick I use inverted.

  • nukehead

    Well, if you have to turn ON invert pretty much every new game you start I think this debate settles itself. You are not normal and weigh as much as a duck. Also you probably have bad breath. Logic! o/

    • Jonah Cash

      Well said!! Was thinking of something clever to say and you beat me to it. So now I will up vote you and move on….

      • nukehead

        Of course those silly inverters would probably down vote me instead…

        • Trevor Davies

          It’s like golf scoring.

    • Alex Hicks

      If you weigh the same as a duck, then you must be able to float; and so you’re made of wood and hence a witch! BURN HER! She turned me into a newt! (I got better)

  • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

    My dad plays inverted… now everyone knows our family secret.. I’m so ashamed..

    Also when he hands me the control to help out I end up looking like retarded duck on steroids

    • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

      It’s fine Gavin, don’t feel ashamed …. you’re safe here ……. No one will judge at in IA (Inverteds Anonymous )

      • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

        I’m not joining that group of freaks… I play properly… ;)

        • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

          Shhhhh hush now …… those that are inverted tend to insult others that are the same, they try and fool themselves into thinking they play with normal controls ….. Gavin it’s fine…..it’s not your fault…..

        • Happy Hamster

          Step 1: Denial

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          This is a safe place.

    • Hammersteyn

      Dont worry, you turned out just fine.

  • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

    Those who play inverted and those WHO CANNOT!!!!!!!

    • Trevor Davies

      who cannot believe why anyone would do something so torturous & insane. fixed it for you.

      • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

        You shut your heathen mouth you!

        • Trevor Davies

          Does that mean open it & talk more in inverted world? ;)

          • Hammersteyn

            Bwahaha

    • Zubayr Bhyat

      This seems to be a binary problem. I’m not a hero in this case, merely a zero :(

  • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

    To help those that want to play inverted as the header suggests

  • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

    IT
    WAS
    THE
    FIRST
    SETTING
    DAMMIT!!!!!!!

  • Hammersteyn

    Inverted is like drifting, you have to turn left to go right.

    • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

      We know drifting IS SUPERIOR DAMMIT!

    • Trevor Davies

      Exactly, and what about strafing? You should stop, turn, move forward, stop, then turn again, repeat as needed. We’re not crabs damn it!

    • http://xelusprime.wix.com/ettiennev Xelus

      There I can agree, most likely half of the inverters here can also drift “Like a boss”. I use to drift a lot, then I got 8 million on NFS, then I stopped. XD

  • Charles Du Plessis

    Invert all the way

    • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

      YAY

  • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

    Hi everyone….My name is Umar, and I don’t play with inverted controls
    24 years sober

    • Hammersteyn

      Hi Umar.

      • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

        How long have you been clean? Some days are harder than others ..

        • Hammersteyn

          It’s been years, *sniff* I take it one day at a time.

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Don’t worry brother …. contact me if you ever feel like slipping … I’ll change those settings back to normal

          • Hammersteyn

            At least I have a sponsor now :)

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            I might even be …… an enabler :p

      • Zubayr Bhyat

        I’ve been clean too. 28 years. It’s been tough. How do you cope?

        • Hammersteyn

          One day at a time, now I can phone Umar when I want to change the setting at least.

        • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

          As Hammer mentioned if you ever feel like you’re about to invert…STOP, call me and we will explore all possible ‘options’ and change your view back to normal

          • Zubayr Bhyat

            Ya it’s good having support from REAL friends who see life the real way.

        • Rags

          This is why I beat you in Quake 3 sir.

          • Zubayr Bhyat

            Lies, my LG knows the burn of your model’s skin so well it goes has to retreat :P

    • Trevor Davies

      Dude, that’s like admitting to being part of non-alcoholics anonymous. We’re not the ones with the problem!

      • Hammersteyn

        I used to have a problem :(

      • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

        Trevor … ….. I know you’re in denial but you won’t be judged here ….. I promise … you are completely safe! ….

        • Trevor Davies

          I was going to make a joke about inversion therapy, then I thought it sounded like something that may really exist. Now it’s not funny, it’s just sad – except for the part about implying gravity is optional.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_therapy

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Inversion and Acid Reflux … holy moly OUCH!!!

  • Warren Ross

    Inverted controls uber alles. Comes from a steady diet of flight simulators as a kid. m/ (^.^) m/

    • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

      YAY, WINNAR!!!

  • Hermann Schwindt

    Inverted for me. As a kid, my cousin had a pc, and I was dreaming of playing on it, only to find that he had set the control on invert. Didn’t stop me though :)

  • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

    Have to agree. Use invert for flying and so forth. But the rest I like it normal thank you very much

  • Kromas

    I’m lazy. So lazy in fact that I own several 12-35 button programmable mice all still on default settings. If a game defaults to inverted controls then I shall game with inverted controls.

  • Zubayr Bhyat

    Depends what feels natural. I’d like to see the accuracy numbers between the two.

  • Veeash Lala

    My brother and I both can only play with inverted Y axis. Don’t know how or when it started. I’m glad that the xbox has a dashboard setting for it. Whereas on the ps3 I have to keep changing it at thegame level.

    Funny thing though, I’m playing Resi4 Wii edition on my own Wii u and I can’t play inverted nor can I play ‘normally’. My brain can’t adjust the orientation fast enough.

  • Draco Lusus

    I’m an inverter and you can invert and kiss my sweet virgin ass. Its like saying people that are left handed at wrong. But…I guess in the 1600’s they were, it was a SIN! So when you are in a VR suit, you going to be hitting the “invert” look option, when you want to actually look down by moving your head down. (if you take the mouse movements into consideration)

    • HvR

      well it depends if the mouse is attached to back or front of the head

  • Alex Hicks

    I’m even weirder – I actually have no idea. I’ve trying to figure out if my mouse is inverted by recalling the few minutes of Fallout New Vegas I played before I came into work and I cannot, for the life of me, remember if I moved my mouse up or down to look at the gap where my character’s feet should be.

    I think the controls are inverted. But I may be wrong … (what’s New Vegas’s default?)

    I’ll get back to you later – when I’ve had a chance to test …

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      O_o
      Freak.

      • Alex Hicks

        Almost … but it’s spelled Phreak … which makes me awesome (in much the same way that fat becomes phat)

    • Zubayr Bhyat

      Vegas’ is not inverted :)

      • Alex Hicks

        Ah! But I reinstalled from the net via steam (having switched PC’s) and it may have saved the settings to the steam cloud (since it still had my save games) which I may have changed when I first installed it!

        Dammit … this is solving nothing!

  • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

    Hell no! I’m a gamer not a damn rocket scientist!

  • Tbone187

    I’ve noticed you do tend to familiarise yourself with inverted controls the more you use it…I still prefer the conventional tho…

  • Hammersteyn

    I found an invertor in our office. Can’t play games worth a damn.

    • Zubayr Bhyat

      DC or AC? I know a good electrician.

      • Trevor Davies

        Wise people know it’s not AC or DC, it’s AC and DC.

        • Zubayr Bhyat

          Blah you’re right. Deserve a downvote for forgetting that :/

          • Trevor Davies

            That’s right, but because that’s right, you deserve an upvote. The natural order has been inverted :D

          • Zubayr Bhyat

            Reverse-upside-down psychology. Nothing quite like chaos.

  • http://xelusprime.wix.com/ettiennev Xelus

    Inverted, use to play normal, got bored of it, so I went inverted. XD All jokes aside, I use to play normal way around and literally I woke up one morning and I couldn’t play normal anymore, I had to play inverted. Weird, but I suppose it is a sign of awesomeness, to all the inverters. XD

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      Maybe you suffered a stroke and lost half your intelligence while you slept?

      ALSO 100th comment

      • http://xelusprime.wix.com/ettiennev Xelus

        Lol doubt it, “they say that, those who stay up late are more intelligent then normal.” I go to bed at 12:00pm and I’m usually up at 8am, intelligent people are usually different to everyone else. XD

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          8 hours sleep a night? They say that the most intelligent people need the least sleep.

          They are also normally wrong and anonymous so really what do they know

          • http://xelusprime.wix.com/ettiennev Xelus

            XD some nights it is 8 hours, other nights it goes between 4 and 5 hours depending on when my work is done. lol

    • Lord Chaos

      Like Newton and the apple.
      We will be forever known while the rest fade to the depths of obscurity.

    • kcshawman

      Did you get a job using some type of hydraulic equipment such as a forklift. If you did then “bass ackward normal” would be all wrong from then on.

  • hairyknees

    My mother told me to stay away from inverters because they are strange people :P

  • http://xelusprime.wix.com/ettiennev Xelus

    Now a debate about who is right and left would be interesting. XD Inverted, normal, left and right. Ultimate debate of the gaming world. lol

  • Aequitas

    Weirdly, I go inverted when using the mouse, and non-inverted when using a gamepad (except flight games, there it’s all inverted, all the time)

  • http://lazygamer.net/ OVG

    Shit, I actually have no idea. Now thinking about it my brain is all confused. I think I press down to look up… I do not know, I have been doing this to long.

  • Mossel

    When I play on PC I use normal mouse controll, but for some reason whenever I attempt to play a FPS it just feels natural to use an inverted analogue stick! I then also use that as my excuse to why I suck with a controller.

  • Grant Hancock

    I’m a proud Y-Inverter … always have been, always will be :)

  • Johan du Preez

    Everything Inverted since forever :)

  • kcshawman

    Normal i.e. Backwards and Inverted the industry standard for almost everything except games.
    Xbox 360 can default to inverted (the normal way of doing things). All parents with young children just starting out playing games should make sure they are playing inverted. All forklifts, backhoes, hydraulic equipment, security cameras etc. all work this way. I see where some folks say pushing the stick away is up and back is down. That is incorrect everything works via rotation you are rotating forward or rotation back and whatever you are operating mimics this rotation in real life and it should also in games. The mouse is different you are not rotating the mouse your are moving a cursor on the screen away is up in this case and feels normal. If you have a joy stick on the PC then go with the rotation idea. You don’t want your child killing someone the first day on the job running some hydraulic equipment. OOPS I thought away from me was up MY BAD!