Quick MSSA Update–Round 5

So yesterday we continued our series investigating the local MSSA with a post about their insane contract requirements for official players. At the time Colin requested to contact Darryn to discuss the issue and was told he needed to contact me as I was running with this.

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At the time of writing this no contact had been made but what I did notice is that he did respond to a request for comment from mygaming where he wasn’t shy in clarifying how he felt.

When asked about our article Colin stated

“The article seems to be a little malicious. Not only does the author not understand the clauses, but [the author] gives very inaccurate interpretations”

[MASSIVE EDIT]

So this article went on for a while defending our principles and having a go at the MSSA again. But I’ve been having an internal chat with the team and an external chat with a journalist from somewhere else and a valid point was raised.

When do we cross the line between reporting on problems in an organisation and it turning into a witch hunt? We have a lot more information about the MSSA that we were planning on reporting on but while it is all factual it may not be in the best interests of our readers to constantly be barraged by negative information about the MSSA.

We take great pride in helping raise the profile of gaming and eSports in the country and the MSSA shouldn’t be able to ruin that positive vibe for us.

So we’re going to be taking a break from this for a while. I’ve officially lodged a request with the government to view the accounts of the MSSA as we’ve received a few accusations of corruption aimed at them. The government has been amazingly professional in handling this request and I received news this morning that the request is now sitting with the MSSA to respond.

So until then, unless something untoward happens, we are going to take a break in reporting on the MSSA.

[Update] Prior to this article going live I received notice from Colin Webster of the MSSA that they are intending to file legal notice against us for our reporting on them. I’ve responded promptly with the information requested and we will keep you up to date with the Colin’s attempt to gag our rights to freedom of the press. 

Full request follows, pity he didn’t specify that it was private communication.

Dear Mr Mannion

This is not the first time that you have printed a malicious article about the MSSA on your blob!

Please note that the MSSA reserves its rights.

I too need the following from you:

  • The type of legal entity under which LazyGamer is operating,
  • The address for service of notice, and
  • The contact details for your legal counsel.

I suggest that you get proper legal advice.

I look forward to your prompt response.

Best regards

C A Webster

And now I’ve also been contacted by a Carl Holliday who is a lawyer but who refuses to confirm if he is the lawyer for the MSSA. Apparently I need legal counsel for a yet unnamed reason.

So maybe my break in reporting on the MSSA is going to be retracted really quickly, we are scared of many things here at Lazygamer such as spiders, heights and old people eating. But one thing we are not is scared of legal threats and if anything more arrives please be assured it will be posted up and we will keep you in the loop.

[Update 2] Carl Holliday has requested that I post the following “Please quote me as saying that you lack an understanding of legal concepts.”, it’s my pleasure Carl.

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  • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

    I think LG hired a new hard hitting journo :) Good stuff

    • Grant Hancock

      Geez … send her after Gabe Newell … she’ll harass him into telling us what he intends doing about Half Life 3 😀

      • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

        We all already know that he ate it.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          If he’s eaten it tell him to get his arse in gear & to poop out the precious :/

          • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

            His valve is blocked

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            lol!

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            WINNA!!!

          • HvR

            Heard that a steam treatment will cure it.

  • Tarisma

    Just one question

    Gavin where is this blob and how can i view it?

    • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

      I suggest that you get proper legal advice before you do other wise you only get to see a small blob.

      • Tarisma

        I have 2 forms of ID will that be adequate?

        • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

          Just make sure the court hearing is at midnight on a full moon

          • Tarisma

            That’s ok I have plenty of goats to sacrifice to Cthulhu.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion
      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        Wasn’t that one of the IONs just the other day?

        (I know, that was mean of me.)

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          Bad…

      • Tarisma

        Win

      • Hermann Schwindt

        Gross, glad I could keep my lunch down. It looks like a pokemon though.

        • George

          You mean this bad boy?

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            The resemblance is uncanny!

      • George

        That is a dreadfull looking thing. His entire face just screams “Kill Me!!”.

  • Lord Chaos

    It is truly a sad state of affairs.

    They may take our lawyer’s number, but they will never take our freedom.

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    I also want rights. Where can I reserve them, and are quantities limited?

    • Weanerdog

      You can reserve them with me at only R200 each, or 6 for R1000. Also I am selling prime real estate on Mars.

      • Lord Chaos

        Throw in some jobs and you got a great tri-vecta.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        I always wanted to live there, I hear the air is pure & clean. I’ll take 100ha!

        • Hermann Schwindt

          Lol, plus you can keep buggalo there

  • Devourer of Small Bunnies

    Haha, so now theyre on the defensive? What was that about glass houses?

    MSSA has a little more to worry about than scathing articles if they follow through with this. How arrogant can you be as a “National” “representative” dishing out threats? Nevermind dowsing the whole situation by actually just coming out doing the decent thing, hold a press conference and giving up all the information in question. We’re not talking about state secrets, we’re talking about the treatment of the South African pro gaming stance and the protection of our fellow players.

    Throwing your toys out the cot and running to daddys lawyer just further exacerbates the whole premise. CANT YOU SEE YOUR JUST MAKING IT FUCKING WORSE???

    Get your facts together and talk it out in a public forum. We might be gamers but we sure as fuck arent children. Balls in your court MSSA.

    Would love to see what falls out the corruption debacle too, but thats because Im a vindictive asshole.

    PS. If your case is as strong as your website is, this might be over quicker than we think.

    • loftie

      *You’re :)

      • Admiral Chief of Rivia

        hahahaha

        • Devourer of Small Bunnies

          hush your face! 😛

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            You are going to have to change your name first, impossible to not laugh/feel insulted with that epic name

          • Devourer of Small Bunnies

            Ill decide on a new one during my vac to da sea 😛 #isaidit

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Drowner of Lemmings?

          • Devourer of Small Bunnies

            That… *sniff* was beautiful

          • Devourer of Small Bunnies

            That… *sniff* was beautiful

      • Devourer of Small Bunnies

        hahah fukit :/ #fixed

        • Andrew vd Walt

          “CANT YOU SEE YOUR JUST MAKING IT FUCKING WORSE???”

          ^ That should be a you’re too. 😛

          • Devourer of Small Bunnies

            DAMMIT! <3 thanks though :)

    • Skyblue

      HAHAHA you said “Balls in your court MSSA” ROFL and an upvote!

  • Mossel

    I dont know much about legal concepts either, but I’m pretty sure in South Africa we can say what we want about who we want, as long as it’s not derogatory/racist. Take Gareth Cliff for example, you insults Julius on a daily basis.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      Generally in most free countries the media can say anything that is true..

      But then again these guys were born and worked long before 1994.. #justsaying

      • Kromas

        I take slight offense to that as I was born and also worked long before 1994 and yet even I understand what it is to be a huge Richard.

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          only slight offense… 😉

          Was just implying that we didn’t have free media before ’94, not that all people born and raised in the working world prior to ’94 are complete Richards.

          • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

            But MANY are man. Sho. Do you guys actually have legal council?

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            I got a fortune cookie last night that said He who is his own lawyer has an idiot for a client…

            Which I saw as a message that I should become a lawyer as all the ones I’ve dealt with are like my client.

          • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

            So, games, eats chillies, and a lawyer? I feel happy, scared, and sorry for your girls, in that order :) I would love to see this as it develops, but not sure a good idea, but then also think, fuck them, freedom of speech!

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            Don’ forget alcoholic and sexy time master…

            Also I doubt this will develop to be honest. We will see if our request is granted and report then and will let everyone know if they do something so stupid again.

            I think they will stay quiet

          • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

            Agreed. I hear tale of some local site that gets over 1mil hits a month. If I was in the MSSA, I’d learn to be quiet very quickly.

          • Lardus-Respect the beard

            Haha you did not say d*ck!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            I don’t know what you said because I can’t see the letter behind the *. Damn censorship :/

          • Kromas

            Well I can’t take more offense cause that would mean I would have to get my gaming news from somewhere else and I am rather comfy here. 😛

      • Mossel

        In 1994 I was still playing Dangerous Dave on my dads 486.

    • Kaya

      My understanding is that journalists can say what they want however in order for it not to be considered as slander, they need to have factual evidence proving it.

      • Grant Nicol

        They had facts which they interpreted with their own opinion, nothing illegal in that

  • eXpZA

    Who you gonna call?

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      Bob Loblaw.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Sponge Bob Loblaw?

        • Devourer of Small Bunnies

          Sponge Blob Lawpants

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Winna!!!!

      • Brian Murphy

        Awesome. Bob Loblaw’s Lawblog is the best!

    • Grant Hancock

      Denny Crane !

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Dude I dig that show!

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          best legal show EVAR.

        • Grant Hancock

          kak funny ! … and intelligent

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          That man is my hero…

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            I know exactly what you mean

      • Lardus-Respect the beard

        With his life partner Alan Shore!!!

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          I want to hear Ultron making inappropriate workplace comments & ogling Black Widow.

          • Lardus-Respect the beard

            Hahaha that would be EPIC!!

    • SaintsRowLee

      Dredd

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        That’s not a Dredd, that’s a Dredd.

    • Grant Nicol

      I would prefer Ray Donovan, just saying…

    • Tidycpc

      Harvey Specter

  • caponeil

    Give ’em hell guys!

  • Brett Miller

    Whahahaha.

  • Lourens Jordaan

    Speechless. good luck guys. The MSSA probably only just now reallized that they’re looking like dicks at 1000 000 hits a month.

    • Mossel

      hahaha!! Nailed it!

    • Gerhard Davids

      ” looking like dicks at 1000 000 hits a month.”

      Laughed so hard I could barely click the upvote button.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Seconded! So @lazygamers:disqus tell your team to consider above as comment of the week

  • Skyblue

    WOW! Just WOW! Damn this site is getting better and better by the day. It’s like watching EFC combined with Presumed Innocent and a touch of 12 Monkeys (I’ll let you guys work out the last reference).

    • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

      HAHAHAHA! Comment of the day!

    • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

      Comment of the week

  • VinTaco

    “This is not the first time that you have printed a malicious article about the MSSA on your blob!”

    HA! Blob.

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    I find it interesting he doesn’t respond to any of the questions being asked. Granted, if he feels he doesn’t have to, he doesn’t – but then why comment on other forums about it being sensationalist or malicious. It seems his first official response to LG is a legal threat, which could have been easily avoided.

    • Devourer of Small Bunnies

      If there was time to respond on other forums why not on LG. Its not like its the fattest za gaming site in the country, you know, plus all the other acclaims.

    • SaintsRowLee

      I was just thinking the same thing. Knowing Gavin, he would have given the MSSA the mike to defend themselves. Besides, even if Gavin was a cow and did not, how difficult is it to sign up for a disqus account?

  • Kaya

    Consider all my respect for MSSA gone. What a poor way to handle their poor management skills.

  • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

    BRING IT YOU FUCKS!

  • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

    He suggest propper legal advice? I suggest proper English classes. Noob.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      lol you should have seen the emails from the lawyer.. I needed a translator to explain them

      • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

        My words, I cannot believe how childish these pricks are. How do they run (well, they don’t really do they) a business like this? We’re here for you man. If you need us to forward kidneys to help with legal fees, you have Darryl’s number).

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          bwahahaha.. I do indeed

  • Grant Hancock

    It’s a compliment to lazygamer.net … you’ve become such an influential player in the SA gaming scene that you can’t be ignored … MSSA doing things the wrong way, but at least you’re big and important enough for them to think about a lawsuit :)

    All the Best ! … sure it’ll be positive outcome for you guys

    • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

      I agree. Usually these areseholes think sites like this have no teeth. Well guess what? Geoff went to Merica with Brenda, and he has proof at least one writer has teeth! Wait, what?

    • Neill

      My advice: Settle this thing behind the scenes and give us the blow by blow afterward.

      • Neill

        Cue the “blowjob” jokes.

      • Devourer of Small Bunnies

        (kudos on the follow up joke :P) I totally agree though. I think everyone will probably need the confidentiality for the purpose of the case. Dick move or not, any issue that needs to be handled in court will always be a sensitive task to “report” on

  • Weanerdog

    And to think all that was needed was the following statement on Monday. We arranged the DOTA 2 match through our international federation and will immediately take up these allegations with them.
    Gee Whiz that would have been difficult, but no MSSA decided to take the Arrogant Dick path I mean how much readership could this little Blob have. 1 000 000 hits a month baby.
    If I was your organisation Mr Webster I would be asking for your resignation letter before you actually waste money on lawyers.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      The first part of your comment is exactly how I feel.. respond to the allegation professionally and openly. Don’t ignore it and hope it will go away

      • Dean_12

        The real issue here Gav, is that Colin thinks that by using a legal threat, he will get this site to stop posting about the MSSA. Any professional person knows that legal is only a last resort, normally talks are conducted like ADULTS. Unfortunately, Colin does not seem to be one. Please keep us notified about what will be happening though. We are behind you all the way!

  • HvR

    So nice to see how the tons of extra cash laying around for sport development is being used to its full potential.

  • VinTaco

    I’m ASTONISHED at how an official governmental entity can simultaneously come across as arrogant and inept, and then so dickishly. Also, the IGNORANCE.

    If the MSSA is the future of eSports in SA, then God help us all.

    • Nick

      Please point out the government entity that isn’t arrogant as well as inept and ignorant (SARS withstanding, they are not inept) :<

      • Sargon

        SAHRA

  • Weanerdog

    Love to know what the lawyers are going to do as all the reporting was seemingly factual as Mr Webster is not denying any of it.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      But it was mean for us to bring it up… or as they call it. Malicious.

      • Spathi

        If it is in the public interest or the truth, you have the right to publish the information. Secondly, they have to prove their alleged damages, as the MSSA isn’t a natural person who can be defamed and claim contumelia. Good luck to them if they indeed try to pursue this.

        Anyway, get legal representation and don’t give them any further documentation.

      • Weanerdog

        He probably feels it malicious because he can’t get to fine you R15 000. The only malicious thing is those unlawful contracts that they make their representatives sign.

        • Sargon

          LOL!

      • neilhza

        I wouldn’t worry, do some Googling and see Carl is his wargames buddy and not someone hired for the purpose of prosecuting media.

      • Matthew Holliday

        You hurt their feelings Mang
        Also, who is this Carl Holliday, and why is he using my name?=/

  • UnholyMunk

    You’ll need this…

    • Anon A Mouse

      Always go for the best.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        There is no better!

      • Purple_Dragon

        It’s cool to see how many people here love Boston Legal.

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        Bitch please!

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    Good grief. YO! ERWIN! WHERE’S THE POPCORN BRU!?

    • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

      Scroll down 😉

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        looooool

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      No sir, this warrants my hammer!

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Hehe

  • FreddyBear

    Based on that contract alone, these guys will be torn apart by lawyers. Hell, if i was one, I’d take it on for free!

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      Aye dude, same here

    • Mossel

      My thaughts exactly.

      • Admiral Chief of Rivia

        What are thaughts?

        • Mossel

          *fawts

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            Ahhh, those

  • Lardus-Respect the beard

    The anarchist hidden inside the pervert that is Lardus, is itching to say something that could be taken as a “freedom fighter” threat…I will refrain, but I am behind you guys/gals on this! I don’t even see them denying, just trying to use that GAG on you guys as well!

  • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

    Cliffy B 0 vs Gavin 1
    David Jaffe 0 vs Gavin 1
    Blob 0 vs Gavin 1

    I am sensing a trend

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      LOL, indeed

    • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

      HAHAH! Winner mate.

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      You forgot
      Habanero 0 vs Gav 1
      Ghost pepper 0 vs Gav 1

      • http://lazygamer.net/ oVg

        fixed :)

      • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

        lol love that… but to be fair that Ghost pepper nearly owned me

        • Admiral Chief of Rivia

          You took it like a baws though. You can handle anything else now

        • Kromas

          That was the only time a stopped watching a clip on LG. Felt really sick for you.

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      Hahaha

  • Ch!cken M@N

    Ding ding ding ding ding. In the left corner weighing in at…….. hahahaha. Loving the “controversy ” to these articles.

    From a legal perspective(I have watched law&order for the last 10 years, even re runs), your freedom of speech cannot be contested as long as you can prove that your theory’s/opinion/journalism are sound. @Colin Webster(I hope he reads this). The last year of MSSA allot of people have found cracks in you haul. Maybe you need to take a few steps back and really listen to why the community are giving you so much grey hair.

    • Devourer of Small Bunnies

      Million upvotes for you sir. Valid and thought out opinion.

      • Ch!cken M@N

        😀

      • Ch!cken M@N

        Thank you dear Sir

    • Umar Silent Hill Save Lisa :(

      If I am in any trouble I will be calling you to represent me!! :)

      • Ch!cken M@N

        EGGzellent

    • SaintsRowLee

      No. It is easier to sue

      • Ch!cken M@N

        No, it is easier to threaten to sue, to actually sue. haha. On what grounds will he sue? Man I get frustrated thinking of the man I refuse to call by his name…

        • SaintsRowLee

          I also cannot fathom what he will sue on. From what I have read so far, Lazygamer never called anyone anything, merely pointed out facts from the fallout of the SA vs “Mexico” DOTA match, as well as the contract MSSA makes players sign.

  • Tarisma

    Ok, whats the bet the MSSA is going to go back on this and try sweep all this under the carpet as a simple misunderstanding

    • RincemySniperKittEH0-O

      Or Webster was drunk :)

      • Tarisma

        Or it was sabotage by the lazygamer.net staff pretending to be MSSA representatives?

        • Devourer of Small Bunnies

          If it was slightly more “government” orientated probably wouldnt be too far from the truth 😛

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      25 to 1

      • Devourer of Small Bunnies

        i like them odds *puts on shades*

  • Kromas

    The gaming community is unimpressed with us …. let us ignore them or call them silly. Sounds a lot like E-Tolling.

    • Tarisma

      Its not like their our target market or anything right?

      • Kromas

        I take a lot of crap from our government and I am ashamed to say I do take a lot of it and go on with my life.BUT when they screw with my favorite pastime I sure as hell will stand up to them.

        Just waiting for Gavin to put up the LG Legal Fees Donation Fund so I can contribute.

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          Great idea i’ve been thinking of putting up a “Send me to Mauritius” fund for a while now.. I’ll just rename it

          • Tarisma

            Lazygamer investigates corruption at Lazygamer, great article

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            We sent our crack team of reporters to Mauritius to track down the… WAIT A MINUTE

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            Case of the lost cocktails? It’s related to eSports because both Cocktails and eSports have sexy women.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            I hadn’t considered that. You understand I’ll have to go to a cocktail bar to fact check right? To be thorough.

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            To the establishment that sells alcohol… FOR SCIENCE

          • Kromas

            Is that like my “Oculus Rift is vital to my health” fund? 😛

          • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

            You just want the porn games 😛

          • Kromas

            They do say sex burns calories. 😛

    • Grant Hancock

      This isn’t E-Tolling … it’s E-Trolling 😛

  • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    How can they all be such INTENSE assholes? WTF!

    This is precisely like a company not liking it when you speak to truth about working conditions. The truth is the truth in the end!

  • SaintsRowLee

    .

  • SaintsRowLee

    What is a blob, precious?
    How does one prints on it?

    • ToshZA

      Nasty blobs. We’d rather have fresh, juicy fishes.

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        Tricksy MSSA, they steals money and happiness from us! But we gets it back precious…..

  • Rock789

    Ummm… Do they not realise that by threatening legal action, they are simply making it worse?! Seriously?! We are not living in a world of 5 year olds? This is the real, adult world… And in this world, as strange as it may seem, we don’t point fingers and say, “Mommy, he called me names!” We stand up for ourselves and, should we make a mistake, own up to it… (at least I like to think that’s what people do).

    Sad days indeed… Go LazyGamer! Go Gavin! Your truth shall prevail!

    **cue the “O Fortuna” music from Excalibur**

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Well said brozif…..

  • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

    But can’t you now sue them for calling your site a “blob”? 😛

    http://www.wikihow.com/Sue-for-Defamation

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      lol

  • Umar Silent Hill Save Lisa :(

    Why I love this site? all the images of Danny Crane and Tv show lawyers :) LOL!!

    But hey, goodluck LG!! Massive restecp for sticking to your guns…Take em down like Phoenix Wright!!!

  • Paul Fouche

    “I suggest that you get proper legal advice.”
    is a threat aimed at no one without reason. and throwing around accusations that you post malicious articles on your site is malicious in its self. i quote ” BLOB” – this is defamation

    i think these are just threats so you can stop posting things about the mssa especially when you tell the truth ( especially when they dont want the truth to be shown)

    just my 5 cents

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      It’s bully tactics. That’s all.

  • Admiral Chief of Rivia

    Who is this day and age calls a blog a blob? I mean really

    • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)
      • Admiral Chief of Rivia

        That actually hurts my eyes, so, so much

    • Hammersteyn

      Same person who approved this as a website designed this : http://www.mindsportsa.co.za/

      • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

        Hey, that is an official website! It has a facebook link and everything!

        • Hammersteyn

          LOL they basically registered the domain and pasted some logos and two links.

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            But you know what kills me… the domain is wrong.

            Mind Sports South Africa
            MindSportsSA
            not http://www.mindsportsa.co.za

            They lost a letter.

          • Umar Silent Hill Save Lisa :(

            Clearly you fail to grasp the english language 😛

            This is Mind Sports of AFRICA lol I never noticed that it was missing a s!

          • SaintsRowLee

            It went out looking for their missing brain cell..

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            Ag nee rerig?

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            DOH

          • Hammersteyn

            Didn’t even notice that. How inept are they?

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Wait, is this seriously their official page?!?!?!?!

        • Admiral Chief of Rivia

          Yessir, you missed the lulz earlier this week

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Just…. speechless.

    • SaintsRowLee

      Admiral, the worst thing is I have such an amazing comeback on this comment, but I cannot afford a lawyer…

  • Hammersteyn

    Smell like corruption. But not in this country, surely?

    • Umar Silent Hill Save Lisa :(

      Corruption….as common as Sunday lunch here.

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      No, never, not here

  • ElNicko

    What a Absolute Ass-Clown ….and there goes your credibility MSSA
    Hey mr webster , heres a tissue , now if youre done crying to mommy , how about you harden the F**k up and fix this mess !!

  • http://www.musicreview.co.za/ Bret Dugmore

    Don’t be
    bullied, we’ve got your backs. We can Gank mid if you need us. Report
    honestly, report freely and report the truth. As South Africans our
    right to free speech is enshrined in the constitution. Read section 16 a
    few times:

    “16. Freedom of expression

    Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes ­
    freedom of the press and other media;
    freedom to receive or impart information or ideas;
    freedom of artistic creativity; and
    academic freedom and freedom of scientific research.

    The right in subsection (1) does not extend to ­
    propaganda for war;
    incitement of imminent violence; or
    advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that
    constitutes incitement to cause harm.”

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      100% spot on…

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      Upvote! Good man

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      According to that Lagz has done nothing wrong. Gonna take one heck of a lawyer to prove otherwise

      • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

        Some one should tell him that this isn’t ‘Merica… 😛

    • Sargon

      Gank mid! Lol. Perfect.

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Bret. You are awesome. That is all…..

  • Umar Silent Hill Save Lisa :(

    Julius laughs at the MSSA’s lame attempt to be intimidating

  • Graeme Selvan

    BOB LOBLAW!

    • That Tall Twit

      ROFL!

  • Sargon

    Someone should investigate these oakes for flagrant stupidity. Reporting on government ineptitude is pretty much part of South African identity! And I wouldn’t be sorry about any of this. They need to own their mistakes and admit that they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing. It’s not our fault that Lazygamer.net does know what is potting.

    P.S. Update 2 is legendary! They know as much about journalism as we do lawyering!

  • N@te

    I am sure if needs be there must be at least one member of the forum who is a lawyer and would be willing to help. Plus as long as all the information is factual I don’t see the a basis for any legal action.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      I have been offered a few lawyers from the community and friends already. But I literally can’t see a single thing we have done to break the law so if the summons or whatever arrives I will concentrate on it then.

      Until then I’m loving this thread and dreaming of pure golden ale…

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Lol because the thread will guarantee you a batman position again right? 😛

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          Unfortunately even though 1 comments counts for many hits… the only thing guaranteeing my Batman is my GTA love.. I am the GTA king baby

      • Sargon

        After you despatch the dragon MSSA, then shall ye proceed to Valhalla and acquire the golden ale of the Gods.

  • Grant Nicol

    Mr Holiday’s Linkedin profile http://za.linkedin.com/pub/carl-holliday/5b/23b/690 He lists him self as a “Boss” lolololol

    • ElNicko

      real professional we got over here…..

      • SaintsRowLee

        Said like a no sorry… @grantnicol:disqus ruined it…

    • HvR

      Did MSSA hire a Swedish Human Resources guy as their lawyer?

      They probably use Vandalay Enterprises for all their logistics.

  • JHN

    Well MSSA and colin all we can say is C yoU Next Tuesday.

    • Sargon

      Took me two reads to get that. I was like, “Why you gonna see him on Tuesday? That…. ooooh!”

      • Dean_12

        Hahahaha! Now I have cold Coca-Cola all over my keyboard

  • Darth fancy pants

    Super cool read man.

  • Kenneth RabidDog Clark

    And so it begins …

  • John
  • John
  • Rags

    I don’t think the reporting from Lazygamer on this issue has been very fair with the players involved. But they have been spot on otherwise. I don’t see that the MSSA have any leg to stand on.

    I think we need to start petitioning that gaming should no longer be considered an official sport.

  • Luaan Rentzke

    This is getting out of hand, we’re gamers, that want an organized organization. Nothing more, nothing less. Please stop the banter and give us what we need. Thanks

  • Major FoxHoundR – what the fox

    im suing too for R100 000 000 cos xbox one is always bad and ps4 news are alwasy good. im also suing cos people on here dont like me for not reason i just want to make friends and talk about cool games like Call of duty

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      I am counter sueing you because you are using a picture of the recently trending song on Youtube and you dont have the rights to their intellectual property. Then I will also sue myself for using an EA brand’s picture as my avatar.
      Then I will sue Disqus for letting us do this.
      Then I will sue EARTH for allowing stupid laws to be put in place anout sueing in general.
      THEN I WILL SUE MARS FOR NOT NOT HAVING A HOSPITIBLE ATMOSPHERE!!!
      THEN I WILL ASWEDFSDK#$&^$@%GFDFJKDD……………………………………….
      FIn

      • Major FoxHoundR – what the fox

        FSJAKLDASJJAS you make NO SENSE Master Chief Commander Shepard.

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          SO thats what the fox says. Mystery solved ^^

    • Hammersteyn
  • B4d R0b0t

    Well said and done, have a great weekend!

  • HoOdeh

    I am so in love with this article. I want to marry it and have little blobs with it. Srsly.

    • That Tall Twit

      Hehe…

  • HoOdeh

    I was so over excited I had to make an account.

  • Ultimo_Cleric N7

    Dear Colin
    An article is only malicious if its untrue.
    Kind Regards
    Logic 101

  • Brian Murphy

    “We have a lot more information about the MSSA that we were planning on reporting on but while it is all factual it may not be in the best interests of our readers to constantly be barraged by negative information about the MSSA.”

    Gavin, you know as well as I do that news that’s relevant isn’t always sunshine and rainbows. But, people deserve to know. As a journalist, it’s your responsibility to inform them. Otherwise, no one will ever be informed enough to affect change in things that require it. I know you guys pride yourselves in being not entirely serious, but…sometimes it cannot be avoided, and whether you want to admit it or not, you DO touch upon rather serious issues from time to time.

    If the information you have about MSSA, is negative, then that’s on MSSA, not on you. If they’re doing something shady, or behaving in a manner unbecoming an organization of their nature, that you know about but don’t say anything to your readers….that’s on you. Are reader’s supposed to blindly adore an entity just because it’s from SA? I realize you’re proud of the gaming community in SA, and that you don’t wish to do it any harm. But, what are the consequences of not saying anything? I guess you have to weigh the perceived harm of barraging people with the negative information you have about MSSA, versus the harm it could cause if people don’t know. It’s a tough call, my friend, but I’m sure you’ll make the right decision, for your readers, for LG, and for the SA Gaming community.

    Btw, Colin had the opportunity from what I’m reading here, numerous times, to comment or clarify on anything you’ve written, and HE elected not to. He doesn’t get to choose which person he talks to at LG, he doesn’t hand out the work assignments, you do. If he declines to make a comment, that’s on him, again, not you. It’s quite typical for a news agency to run with a story about an entity that may not cast that entity in a favorable light, but, every time I read those stories, I always note that the journalist requested comment or clarification from the subject of the article. They either man up, and wade into it, or run away with their tail between their legs with ‘No Comment’.

    I wish you the best of luck (if luck even has a role here, not familiar with how SA’s Freedom of Speech/Press laws are written), I certainly hope your Freedom of the Press laws are as protected as they’ve been in the US.

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Brian, I think the reason Gav is saying this is because posting the information would further aggrovate an already highly tenuous situation. But you are right, if the information is critical in revealing the true nature of the MSSA, it should be published.

      • Brian Murphy

        Ultimo, yeah I understand the position he finds himself in, but that’s ultimately the life of a journalist. They must constantly weigh the pros and cons of releasing the information that they obtain through research and interviews.

        But, it’s a vital need, and the truth should always triumph. People come to this site clearly for games information and things like that, but also because they don’t do this for a living, and don’t have the time or resources to investigate to the extent that Gavin and the LG staff can. So, LG is actually a pretty vital source of real, factual information for SAers to refer to, in situations like this where confusion, uncertainty and misinformation are rampant.

        As I said though, I’m sure he’ll make the best choice for his staff, and the gaming community.

        • Rags

          Bravo!

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          No doubt man, the LG staff have always had our best interests at heart. Glad you are here to challenge them too, good to hear a perspective from someone outside SA. ^^

      • Craig Henry

        It’s more legal than that, this is going to court, so they cannot jeopardise their court case by revealing some of the dirt they have on them.. was a nicely veiled threat I thought myself

    • Craig Henry

      The only time any company,entity,public office reacts in this way, is when they have something to hide andor are guilty of the facts reported against them. Clearly they are hell bent on covering up their transgressions, the wonderful thing about the media, is that they are more than welcome to refute any and all claims at any time to clear their image, the fact that they chose to respond by solicitation is an obvious and sad attempt to hide the truth. Ill-gotten money now being used to kill the truth from coming out in the courts, ironic.

  • Marc O Polo

    here is your lawyer…

  • impi

    Just shows how much lazygamer has lost the plot. Instead of reporting on the news, they want to be the news.

    I would think that the MSSA sending a player to DreamHack was the REAL news story.

    But no, not for lazygamer, all they can do is try to make it seem as though they are more important than what they are.

    Eish!

    • Rags

      Look Lazygamer could certainly have handled it better. But MSSA also need to take some form of responsibility. Sure it’s great that they are sending a player to Dreamhack, but that does not wash them clean. The callous remarks from Mr Webster shows disconnected Mr Webster is from the community. Why does he oppose that we the tax payers want to know what his books look like? Mr Webster as being part of an official governing body and as an affiliate of SASCOC should be fully transparent and open to public questioning. It is our constitutional right to know.

      The questions are; why is MSSA affiliated with IeSF? Is that in the best interest of gamers? Why was there no proper investigation as to who is part of the Mexican team?

      If Argentina rugby team plays South Africa with French players on their team, it is the responsibility of SARU to report it to the IRB. It is the responsibility of MSSA to clear the opposition team before the match is played and if they are other nationalities it should be reported to the IeSF. But we know the IeSF hardly lives up to what it claims to be and is tainted with a history of bullshittery.

      Ultimately gaming does not work as a regulated sport. It should be left in the hands of the free market.

      • jeevadotnet

        Impi is Colin’s Laywer btw. Mr Carl Holiday, AFAIK. He trolls pro-MSSA on DGL as well.

        • Rags

          I thought he was Matatheni Mosotho?
          http://esportscommentator.blogspot.kr

          • http://www.jeeva.net/ RZR | jeeva

            May have changed but the general conclusion was that it was Colin’s lawyer through the early years on DGL

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          Yeah I knew about him…

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      Oh dear Impi… commenting and then harrasing wasn’t a good idea at all…

      Did I ever mention I studied Forensic Science while doing my Masters in Computer Science? Guess what I found out :)

  • JP

    I have been off the gaming scene for about a year now and prior to that i was heavily involved with the PC COD4 scene for a very long time, MSSA has always been a controversial topic, weird to see it still is lol… gl hf <3

  • Marc O Polo

    “I too need the following from you:
    The type of legal entity under which LazyGamer is operating,
    The address for service of notice, and
    The contact details for your legal counsel.”

    why on earth would you supply them with anything… if they wanna serve notice they need to find you!

    • Rags

      With the MSSA unable to find a proper Mexican team, I doubt they will be able to find these details on their own. 😀

      • Admiral Chief of Rivia

        Won’t be able to find their own a$$ even with two hands and a map

        • That Tall Twit

          Upvote engaged.

  • J

    Colin is a lawyer by profession afaik. Anyways gl, corruption and mishandling needs to be exposed.

  • jeevadotnet

    LG writes about this (MSSA) like this is something new, we’ve made mention of this over & over since MSSA got contracted to handle e-Sports almost a decade ago. AFAIK the fine used to be R150 000, which was moved down to R15 000 because R150k was so outrageous it caused an immediate burst of laughs.

    Just so… that every couple of years someone writes about this and then all of a sudden it is “NEW” and “LATEST IN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM” OMG!

    Why don’t you rather write about MSSA’s fake proxy clubs that keeps him as chairperson by majority votes.

  • Craig Henry

    MSSA are a joke. They just upgraded to making royal asses of themselves, congrats Mr ” C A Webster” Just when I thought they couldn’t get any more pathetic, this guy decides to open his mouth.

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