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	The PSN is Becoming a Paid-for Service
	Geoffrey Tim November 20th, 2009 10:00 am

PSNGold

It appears that the traditionally free Playstation Network is going the way of Xbox Live; that’s right – it’s becoming a premium, paid for service. At a recent media/investor conference, a slide was shown displaying how the PSN was to provide a “new revenue stream from subscription,” something that’s been confirmed by Kaz Hirai.

Before Xbox Live gold users start laughing, and PSN users start crying – Hirai has also confirmed that online play will remain free.

“SCE will further increase sales by offering users new entertainment through the combination of hardware, software, peripheral and PlayStation Network,” said the SCE boss…Especially in the online area, we are studying the possibility of introducing a subscription model, offering premium content and services, in addition to the current free services.”

There’s no word on what the premium subscription will offer punters, but the transition was inevitable – running large scale networks is a pretty darned costly endeavour.

Source : VG247

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WitWolfyZA
My crystal ball shows me in game cross chat being implemented for paying customers…
Well thats what im predicting
ewie
Don’t they already pay for demo downloads with the
qore areas
BobbyKotickhasMadskillz
It will be paid with my recession tears :pirate:
0rk0
Some of the games are already overpriced in my opinion.
Along with the risk of the servers shutting down at some point in time, I’m sticking to my disc versions, thanks.
Can’t understand why the user must pay for space where companies want to advertise their games.
They can keep the PSN then, less adds for me to look at.
http://budgetgamer.wordpress.com Milesh Bhana ZA
so what would be the point of paying for PSN if on-line play is free?
Isn’t this a pointless endeavor ?
I can wait an extra week for the latest demos and DLC if it means avoiding a subscription.
Strife Lives
Is Lazygamer.co.za a secret anti sony xbox fanboy site?what kind of misleading title is that up there I see.the ‘premium’ service will not have anything to do with online game playing,but other services.app store.movie streaming etc.is that going to be tomorrows news on here? Always clearing up drama a day late.and before xbox fanboys jump on this to attack. msft still doesnt care to even support xbl here,so apart from netflix never being a part of your life,you’re still paying for a stripped down online experience.except,you’re forced to play with foreign accounts and only until recently could purchase gold accounts easily.P.S,ive got a 360 too,but there is a difference between a xbox gamer and an xbox fanboy,after the forza 3 review,Im starting to think Lazygamer is becoming just another fanboy site.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
umm..sorry what? What in the entire article was inflammatgory towards the PSN, the PS3 or Sony? What was pro Xbox?
The PS3 is my console of choice at the moment, with uncharted 2 being my favourite game of the year.
Any bias you’re perceiving is based on your own insecurities and biases.
Nick
That should be obvious by now Strife Lives :whistle:
It should be obvious to anyone who can read that subscription services will be for stuff like music, comics, the mass amount of MMO’s coming, converging Sony technologies and video store content. Mostly things unrelated to gaming. Something to do with non gaming dev kits being sent out by Sony and converging all of Sony corps other divisions and technology according to reports from proper news sites not N4G. All the things you have now will remain free. Some ppl cant seem to read to well when they quote Sony stories from News4Idiots.com woops sorry i meant gamers.com
Apparently some ppl have also not learnt yet that PSN uses dedicated servers for Sony exclusives which is why they run without any problems instead of lagging exclusives like L4D2. Hence why Geoff still blows his load in every article he can about PSN VS Live. Maybe if he tries it someday he will learn. Also you know i wont use it but i hope cross game chat comes soon which it does judging by reports so that this clown can shut up about PSN because it really is getting tiresome.
Oh but wait they would but Sony doesn’t send them any games. Apparently only the Verge gets Sony games from Ster Kinekor every single night to give away including review copies. I wonder why :shocked:

SlippyMadFrog
Even though this is a supposedly “Xbox Fanboy” site, you guys just can’t get enough of it. Are you guys a bunch of masochists?
http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
You will be happy to know that we are receiving games from SK again. Please note that in the past the PS3 reviews we did were usually paid for out of our pockets. We have covered almost all PS3 exclusives in the reviews. Most of the Xbox 360 games reviewed are multiplatform anyways.

http://budgetgamer.wordpress.com Milesh Bhana ZA
>> Is Lazygamer.co.za a secret anti sony xbox fanboy site?
:blink:
that’s a secret?
evilredzombie
Your heading is a cheap way to attract a read…

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
*That* I will concede.

RSA-Ace
that really is one thing that is never denied on this site…
and i dont hold it against you. as silly as some of the headings are they really do attract people to the site. and well more traffic is always good.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
Nice fancy border you have around your comment block… I guess you managed to register
Oh and yes the headlines are designed to make people read the article, unfortunately a lot of people send insulting comments without reading the article and then claim that we can’t read… it would be funny if it didn’t happen all the time.

RSA-Ace
Lol yeah finally registered. There really should be a link somewhere on the page.
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
it’s a new idea that hasn’t been announced yet… so consider yourself my guinea pig

WilliamS
What a crap post. No wonder bloggers will never be taken seriously. They like these wannabe journalists, but journalists have tact and brains. This site and its authors has neither. Congratulations though, at least you fail well.
Fearless
Who uses PSN anyway ?

RSA-Ace
Serious man do you just go post negative replies on all the PS stuff? really if you don’t have anything important to add rather dont.

lans
Seriously Online Multiplayer is free stated by Kaz Hiraz 1 week ago he was referring to the video rental services and other services such as MAG,Qore which sony will be focusing more on to become profitable in 2010.
Europe will be getting a video rental service this december with a premium every month they are going to be alot of these services, saying that psn is now a paid for service is misleading and irresponsible
Theres always been premium content like Qore or to buy stuff at home etc…You guys just copy paste other articles without reading them and doing proper research, and you guys claim you’re objective?
This is the last comment i post and i am no more coming to this site such lazy bloggers you do 1 monute of research before you post why dont you guys just automatically phish articles you lazy sods!
http://www.destructoid.com http://www.vgchartz.com http://www.kotaku.com http://www.joystiq.com and the internet > lazygamer.co.za
This is the last time i come to this site at

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
I assume you didn’t read the bit in the article that said :
“Before Xbox Live gold users start laughing, and PSN users start crying â€“ *Hirai has also confirmed that online play will remain free*”
Fearless
GOOD,one less ps3 fanboy on this site.

Strife Lives
Only is S.A ,We would find ‘xbox fanboys’ ,that would lovingly support xbox live even though theyve begged for official support,signed a petition and still get zero recognition for supporting it.yet,still,people want to take jabs at Sony,who do support us.It feels good,to go out,buy a game and play for free,or maybe,its the feeling of not being cheated?the title could of read ‘PSN to get ‘premium’ content’,but thats no fun?right?honesty?yeah. .you can argue thats its ‘jounalism’ ,but its a cheap way to get attention,almost as cheap as msft for sticking the xbox live logo on my 360 box when I bought it.Lazy,dont hire amateurs.I hope their not getting paid for this…

Milesh Bhana ZA
we don’t LOVINGLY support xbox live. We grudgingly support it.
we support it because it’s still better than PSN. And it’s for something soooo stupid. XBOX Pro comes with a headset, PS3 doesn’t.
now this is where it gets really silly. Voice chat is what makes playing on-line fun. (yes, we get annoyed by little kids insulting our mothers), but that’s really what reminds us that we’re playing with people, not bots.
Now, PSN is free, so a matter of organizing something like a headset shouldn’t be a problem. Connect to most PSN games and most of the people have not done so.
If the PSN had cross-game chat, and they included a headset in the box. PSN would be worth it.
It’s funny to believe that a small thing like that gives the perception that PSN is an inferior service.
(Then again, people belived that the XBOX was inferior and on the same level as the PS2 because it WAS so much cheaper.)
TheBeasht
So, now you’re calling any and all Xbox Live members not in a Live supported region an ‘Xbox fanboy/girl’. What a sad little world you must live in putting everything into little boxes and categories of your own creation.
Nowhere in the article did I find anyone taking any ‘jabs at Sony’, the only jabs or plain out attacks I found in here were the ones in the comments made by the Sony lovers, such as yourself, accusing Lazy and his team of being 360 fanboys. You and your SDF crew must really get over your console insecurities now.
Also, most if not all media outlets use sensationalist headlines. What? are you brand new or something? Didn’t anyone teach you to not judge a book by it’s cover. Get over yourself, get over your precious sony console, read the article, then maybe you can make a comment here worth reading.
kthxbye.

puppystuffer
“What? are you brand new or something?” I haven’t laughed like that in ages, Beast, you just made my weekend!

The Beasht
After reading the continuing PS3 fanboys comments below and realizing that there is no reasoning with them, I’m glad I was at least entertaining. :biggrin:

Strife Lives
Now children,please pay attention.my opinion.is mine alone,but it must be stated that someone wrote that SK is finally giving ps3 games again to review?why mention that? Does that mean,I can now expect more credible ps3 reviews in future?does this mean you guys were biased against ps3 games because the games cost came out of your pocket? Im still grappling with the reasoning behind why that was mentioned,if you bought it,you kept it after the review?nobody made you sell it.Its almost an admittance of MSFT ass kissing right there.did you guys get given Forza3 too? That review reeked of fanboyism.all in all ,Lazy,I love this site,but there are times when the xbox fanboyism gets so up in here.I mean,look at the PS3 3,10 update.NOWHERE,NO RUMORS,NOTHING,NOBODY EVER mentioned it would ever include cross game chat,yet,there we are,writing articles saying we were expecting it,but yet again,we’re let down.sad sad sad.almost as sad as the pc review of GTA4,so poorly written.such bad grammar.clearly,the work of an unachiever in the english language

Nick
I also found the Forza review hilarious. They let the guy who was the most excited to play it, the guy who wrote about 30 articles/comparisons/stories/previews on it, the guy who couldn’t stop spouting about how great Forza was, the guy who kept posting GT vs Forza articles, the guy who proclaimed that Forza is king of Racing review the game. The only thing that surprised me about his review was that he didnt give it a 10/10. Well it’s got the highest score on this site this year so far i think so it must be GOTY. What a freaking joke.
The PSN has also been a long ongoing saga here. Article after article about how much better Live is over PSN stated as FACT. Cross game chat and apparently a headset are now why Live is better than a paid and not South African supported service. When cross game chat comes next month it will probably be the headset and ummm ummm oh Facebook :w00t:
I guess they got sick of the endless articles they posted about how each and every single add or Sony marketing campaign is Epic fail. Must also be sick of the PSPgo bashing articles they had up every week.
Now we have the PS3/360 endless comparison articles just so they can remind us how shit PS3 games are. Im playing Assassins Creed 2 right now and im sorry to say that you guys can slow the game down and capture frame and tears as much as you want but ive only noticed a tear here and there once in a while when panning the camera 360 degrees in a fast motion. If you are going to do a comparison then at least do it with again where the difference is more than noticeable like Bayonetta where the PS3 version looks like utter garbage. Here is another clue for you no Sony multiplatform game has ever won a faceoff on Digital Foundry. Not a single one. Maybe that should clue you up a bit. At least use lens of truth because they are a bit more reliable.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
If possible the reviews are given to the people who are fans of the series. They have more knowledge about the game and want to do the reviews.
Have no fear Nick will be reviewing GT5 as well as he is also a GT5 fanboy.

SlippyMadFrog
“someone wrote that SK is finally giving ps3 games again to review?why mention that?”
Look at the thread above started by yourself, there you can follow the back and fourth that lead to why SK was mentioned. Maybe next time you can read first without making yourself look like a twat.
“did you guys get given Forza3 too? That review reeked of fanboyism”
It’s strange that only PS3 fanboys would see it like that.
“NOWHERE,NO RUMORS,NOTHING,NOBODY EVER mentioned it would ever include cross game chat”
There were rumors that the Naught Dog dev let it slip out, but you wouldn’t know that since you seem to stop reading at the article heading. Not to mention all PS3 fanboys beggin for it. It would have been strange not to mention it.
Go have a look at the negative Xbox articles and tell me if it’s filled with fanboys bitching about it. You act as if the PS3 is automatically entitled to something.

Nick
It is entitled to something. Fair and balanced articles. If you bothered to read my post you would see its not just this article but a progression of articles where Geoff tries to impart the knowledge that Live is better than PSN as FACT on us.

SlippyMadFrog
No consoles are entitled to anything. Fair and balanced articles? It’s only the insecure ones that care. I read your post and I’ve been following LG for quite a while now which leads me to believe that people complaining about the negative PS3 articles are full of crap.
Geoff has an opinion, he likes XBL, I guess you and Strife just have to live with it no matter how much you two despise the fact that someone likes XBL more than PSN.

Nick
Sorry but if he reports bullshit then i will call him out on it and if your inseciure about my responses then thats your problem. Im tired of Sony being the whipping boys on this site and tired of idiots like you who follow them blindly word for word.
SlippyMadFrog
I’m insecure about your responses?? :biggrin: That makes sense.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
Strife we review what is given to us, most distributors give our Xbox 360 versions for review. I don’t know why nor do I care to be honest.
Every distributor has been informed that we are happy to review any game on any platform, it is not our fault that they send the 360 version.
As for the SK mention, we were asked why certain games never got reviewed. Well they were not sent to be reviewed and therefore will not be reviewed unless one of us buys the game and then wants to review it for fun… 90% of the games reviewed on this site are sent for review. I wasn’t aware this wasn’t general knowledge.
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
And another thing
“I mean,look at the PS3 3,10 update.NOWHERE,NO RUMORS,NOTHING,NOBODY EVER mentioned it would ever include cross game chat”
Oct 15 – http://www.lazygamer.co.za/ps3/naughty-dog-confirms-cross-game-for-playstation-3/
Nov 12 – http://www.lazygamer.co.za/ps3/facebook-coming-to-the-ps3-now/
Nov 17 – http://www.lazygamer.co.za/xbox-360/ps3-firmware-update-3-10-to-feature-facebook/
Nov 19 – http://www.lazygamer.co.za/general-news/quick-heads-up-ps3-update-3-10-is-live/
So yeah I am getting pretty pissed off at the constant fanboyism comments that say we don’t report on PS3 news when it is blatantly obvious that we do.

http://Www.n4g.com Strife Lives
Is it fanboyism,Lazy? Its funny though,I have read complaints about a lack of PS3 news,just the twisted nature in which it reaches this site.look at the title of the AC2 comparison.look at its 1st paragraph.its funny though,you guys just report flamebait after flamebait but when it starts a fire,you guys get defensive.if you guys are a multi platform site,does the words ‘impartial’ mean anything? And as for the naughty dog leak,it was common knowledge it was bs,half the stuff here is reported stuff off N4G,so you would have known that VIDEO DETAILING THE RUMORED IMPROVEMENTS DID NOT mention X game chat.why not b1tch at the fact that your copies of Forza3,Gears2 doesnt come with the free dlc.and never will.I know you reported on both,but clearly not as much as your Anti ps3/ps3 flamebait/banter. And some idiot complained that xbl is better because the 360 comes with a headset?omG. . .,ANY BLUE TOOTH HEADSET WORKS WITH PS3,You dont have R100 to buy one?Go check how much a 360 WIRED HEADSET costs,I bet more than R100.please dont tell me you would buy an expensive console and not have that kind of money.proof of fanboy mentality?well,xbl here is what, R500? A cheap bluetooth headset is R100.instead of moaning about a lack of included ps3 headset,quit paying to play online and go buy 5 headsets.Im not being a fanboy,I actually own three 360s,a premium and 2 arcades for backup.just got 1 PS3

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
1. PS3 news is reported and I have already shown you that
2. Flamebait exists and is used as such, this is nothing new
3. We bitched about the lack of Forza and Gears DLC, quite heavily in fact.
4. You rambled about a headset for some reason…
The point here is that you are subjectively reading only certain stories and then accusing us of being fanboys.
I am being defensive because I am bored of proving time and time again that we don’t only report one side of the story. But hte PS3 sometimes loses and you have to just accept that. That’s life

Floozor
Using flamebait as a way to get more hits is totally pathetic. All it does is divide the communities and makes the blogger look like an idiot. You use the fact that you report on PS3 as leverage to convince everyone that you are not a total 360 fanboy. Do you honestly think your readers are that stupid? Clearly you must. And that is why this blog will never be taken seriously and will be treated like the trash that it is.

The Beasht
I suppose you’re the type of person that goes out and eats at a steakhouse just to ‘convince’ people you that you don’t absolutely love pizza.
See!!! You’re not the only one that can spew garbage comments from your out-hole and try make believe that it was a rational thought.

SlippyMadFrog
Haha! That’s hilarious
easy
i don’t really care about what’s going on here, but your comment makes no sense. while its mildly amusing, Floozor actually made sense, well some of it :tongue:
putting a sensational headline up to draw readers in is an underhanded tactic employed by the most despicable publications, namely the news of the world, the sun, the national inquirer, heat, people and so on. usually the article lacks substance.
lazy makes no bones about using this tactic, and to be fair is mostly done in good taste. i understand that and accept it as do some other readers.
but there are some people out there that do not find it amusing and have every right to slag lazy off using said tactics.
in my opinion, if lazy uses inflammatory headlines he is best advised to not comment as this only riles up the would-be fanboys from both sides.
then again, that could be part of lazy’s evil scheme

http://Www.n4g.com Strife Lives
The beasht and Slippy.that steak and pizza comment,trying to be funny?well,I have a better reference.like when we all got our 360s,we saw the box,we thought we were going home with steak n’ chips,turns out,they lied the steak wasnt meant for us,nope its for the 1st world.and @Lazy,I mentioned the headset because it somehow is an incentive to recieve an overpriced wired headset in a box with your 360 when you buy one? Wouldnt surprize me if you guys were hardcore pc gamers at some stage,maybe school? And so this natural 360 fanboy love just drives the nostalgia in your brain.kinda twisted,cuz again,its like a dog mentality,get kicked in the head by msft,get shafted with xbox live,but like little puppys,we’ll just find a way to kiss up and accept the fact that they dont value us as consumers.tsk,they cant even add S.A To the list,we didnt even ask for servers.still lap dogs,suck it up and go back to the masters.pathetic.

The Beasht
I believe you missed the point again. I wasn’t merely trying to be funny, I used the steak & pizza analogy to point out the absurdity of Floozor’s comment.
There’s clearly no way to reason with you or make you or any other blinded console supporters understand anything other than what you want to believe. Regardless of the facts presented, you perceive things the way you want to. End of story.
Milesh Bhana ZA
Actually, i cited the headset as the selling point. It’s not because they give the xbox users a R100 headset, it’s because anyone on live will have the opportunity to chat in game. All of Killzone games i’ve jumped into had majority NO headset.
I cite this as a huge plus simply because, for me, it’s the in-game chat that let’s me enjoy on-line play enough to not ever need to bother with a LAN again.
PS3 supports it in most games, yet people don’t seem to want the Bluetooth headset.
But before you shoot me down. XBOX also makes certain essentials optional extras
- Hard Drive (srsly! peeps with Arcade consoles can only play a really a gimped version of Forza because of the 1.9GB install)
- WiFi (R1000 for a overprice accessory that comes standard on any other console and costs R150 for a PC)
- HD cable (pS3 equally guilty of this one)
But i stick to my theory of saying that lack of headset and the fact that all developers have to implement VOIP is probably the biggest downfall of PSN as an on-line gaming platform. And i’ll happily admit that it’s a stupid reason, but that’s the way things pan out.
Which is really a pity because right now, from a value perspective PS3 Slim vs XBOX Elite… PS3 wins hands down. (I have both by the way)

Fox1
Typical PS3 fanboy comments all over this page. I have being commenting on articles on this site for the past 2 years and it’s the same old PS3 fanboy comments whenever there is a graphic comparison; if the game doesn’t look good on the PS3 then there’s something wrong with the site and not the devs.
There’s are games like GTA IV and Burnout Paradise that look better on the PS3 than the 360. I don’t hear 360 fanboys complaining :tongue: . When Uncharted 2 got reviewed here, no 360 fanboy came on stating that GOW1 looks a gazillion times better :tongue:

easy
‘pot calling the kettle black’ comes to mind :whistle:

Strife Lives
LOL @Fox1 ,dude,Ive read your comments,Ive been reading off this site longer,but man oh man,I think the fanboyism you display,it’s like you’ve got more than just a casual relationship with msft and your 360.Its funny how personal people take it though,it seems the only people that can take this topic honestly and objectivly are the one’s that own both.I cant wait to see Lazygamer.co.za review GT5 LOL! !let me guess, 7,5 / 10? Reason? ‘i errr cant write teh Lazygamer name on teh side of teh car and I cant race on borin tracks,I love Forzas blasÃ© tracks,this is just too exciting for me’ ,just mark my words.Some of you have your xbot goggles strapped to your faces a bit too tight..Honesty is the best policy.I think the standards must be raised for the reviews,you guys are getting so bad at it,you make Pippa from the Verge look like a pro.come on,lets raise teh standard

Fox1
“…..like youâ€™ve got more than just a casual relationship with msft and your 360″
I only have one xbox 360 :angel:
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
The game will get a 7.5 if it deserves it, but if it gets a better score will you be man enough to stand up and accept that you were wrong and made false accusations?

Fox1
I rather take a sim-racer fans word on a game other than some reviewer who has to review each and every game even though they suck at sim racing.
Fox1
GT PSP already got 7.5′s :unsure:

GeeB
What has Pippa got to do with this? She never reviews games, merely reports on news surrounding titles that are coming out / have been released. Have you met Pippa? I am sure she would put many of you “hardcore gamers” in your place… She games harder than most out there..

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
The comments on this post haven’t exactly been characterised by logic and reason. To wit, there’s nary a point looking for them.

Strife
Fox1 ,I have three 360s cuz Im sick of dealing with shoddy hardware,when one breaks now I’ll just toss it out. Btw,thought you couldnt wait to get Forza3?bored of it already?you should go back and play it,dont get caught in this thread,theres so much fun stuff to do in Forza.lol,so Fox1 ,when are we going to be getting the 458 Italia DLC,bet you cant wait to pay double what the rest of the world pays,huh? heard theres going to be monthly Dlc for a year tooo.wow,so. .R700 for the game. .and $10 monthly dlc,so. .how much is that for ‘teh ful FORZAA XPerience’ ?

SlippyMadFrog
You know MS isn’t holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy the DLC right? By your logic PSN won’t be free since there is optional premium services you HAVE to subscribe to. Fanboy logic FTW!
“when one breaks now Iâ€™ll just toss it out”
Wow you are stupid! You know Ms will give you another one for free right? Sometimes i applaud the PS3 community like the time everybody pitched in to buy a PS3 for the guy who got burgled but you, sir, manage to single handedly bring down an entire community. Kudos!

Strife
Atleast. . .you get cross game chat with that R1400 game.now Im really jealous..,
lans
i hate this site so much ive decided to make my own website not sure of the name, maybe call it Elitegamer, not sure on the name though i will include south african electronics that i actually touched and do real articles http://www.engadget.com style, just to show these “writers” on how to write indepth quality articles.
wish me luck, ya i did post a comment but i dont care, i just game to declare war on mediocrity

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Strife, as you know I wrote the Forza 3 review and I really do not appreciate your comments made about me. I let most of this garbage slip but you are crossing some lines here.
I gave the game a 9.7 because it’s a damn good racing game, deal with it. Metacritic has 13 major gaming sites listed as rating the game higher than my score, a total of 28 sites and/or publications giving the game higher than 95. How can you just come here and insult me as if I’m the only person who found any good in the game?
I am not sure who you guys are moaning to, hell, I’ve spent almost my whole weekend so far only playing my PS3, I guess I should go and turn it off because *oh yes* I forget, I apparently hate the console.
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
You seriously hate the site that much that you came here to tell us that and then proceeded to tell us you are going to open an unrelated site.
Don’t worry lans the hatred doesn’t go both ways, I actually enjoy reading your opinion on our articles even if I do feel they may be slightly biased

Strife
Nick,Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison,FW de Klerk got a nobel prize too,all so we could openly discuss and share opinions.and my opinions,are my opinions,you dont have to take them.just toss em in the trash if you like,I am curious though.Was that Forza3 review based on the WHOLE product as T10 intended or not.when other sites reviewed it,they took bonuses like the FREE MANDOTORY DLC,that we didnt get into consideration.how bout the other goodies in the LCE?.can I lol if msft bans us all for having foreign accounts in the next update,and if they do,would your future game reviews take a lack of online into consideration.

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
At the time of reviewing I didn’t have any of the extra DLC or any LE content either. You may be interested to know that I was mostly impressed with the single player career mode. I found Forza 2′s career mode to be ridiculously boring and after having spent a lot of time with Gran Turismo 4 not thaaat long before it, I was disappointed to say the least (Forza 2 was my first proper experience with a Forza title).
I know driving/racing games very well, I have played nearly all of them. I used to be addicted to Geoff Crammonds GP series when I was younger and was even apart of a sponsored driver for EA’s F1 2002 Racing Team. All I am saying is that I do know my stuff and I have been around the block many times and I know a good game when I see it and on the same note, I know a bad one when I see it too.
And to answer your other question, yes, if MS banned our region it would be taken into account. At the moment most people who read our site have a Live account but we always do our best to review each element so that if someone does not have it they can still judge if the game will be worth their while as a single player experience only.
I just played Uncharted 2 from beginning to end last night in one 10 hour go, it has multiplayer but I can tell you something, I wouldn’t give a crap if it didn’t because the single player was worth the bucks alone.
http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Side note: Forza 3 is not our highest rated game this year
SlippyMadFrog
“all so we could openly discuss and share opinions.and my opinions,are my opinions,”
You lot seem to forget that Nick has an opinion as well.

Fearless
What is your highest rated game this year?

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
I actually do believe that it was the score I have to GTA: Chinatown Wars for DS, which was a 9.9.
For the record, highest score does not equal game of the year in my opinion. I believe that the decision should be made more on games that did something unique or brought something special to the plate. MW2 for instance, fantastic Single Player, great multiplayer but brought nothing new to gaming.

Nick
I think you guys need to stop deing so defensive about everything and take some valid criticism whehn it comes your way.
Firstly stop trying to impart your opinions on us like they are FACTS. PSN is just as good as Live. Whether you want to pay for it or not its your problem. We dont need these crap articles one after the other telling us how shit PSN is compared to Live or trying to convince us why its better to pay for it. We also dont need flaimbate articles like this one which confused a shitload of ppl if you read the first few comments into thinking PSN was becoming a paid for service. Also when you post an article do some freaking research and find out exactly what Kaz said and let us know the little details about those non gaming dev kits that were sent out and Sony’s convergence strategy with regard to these subscriptions.
Secondly if you have to quote articles off of N4G then at least post from the more credible sites like Giant Bomb.
Secondly i dont mind the fact that you post a negative news article or two about Sony but you guys spent so much time ensuring that all the articles you posted yesterday were negative about Sony that not one of you found the need to report big news from yesterday. Like the fact that Sony is releasing an update next year to give us 3D gaming. G! Do you guys think we might have wanted to know that little bit of news?
If you are going to post comparison articles then dont use Digital Foundry for the love of God man. I think someone in here posted that multiplat games Burnout and GTAIV look are better on PS3 well guess what even though the entire internet agreed Digital foundry did not. Use lens of truth or do a meta comparison listeing four different comparisons and then make up you mind. I know some games suck on PS3 like Bayonetta and Fallout but comon Assassins Creed 2 is not one of them. The differences are so freaking minor.
Secondly write articles with a view to South Africa and what in those games affect us. Dont go giving us crap about Live rules in the States therefore its king here. You guys are responsible for telling those MS South Africa wankers that we are not happy that they dont include our country in their service. Now if one of those assholes come on here and read all the positive sentiment and see that hey these idiots make illegal foreign accounts also so why should we bother giving them Live? They are happy doing it so why should we bother. Can i truly be the only one that cant stand that shit???????????
As for the Forza review i dont know if its fair to dock points because South African’s wont be able to get their hands on DLC for it. I guess that point should be debated more although if it was one of my favourite games i guess i would be highly pissed. As for the review not being biased or not to high. Well the score isnt really the issue for me but the constant 30 or 40 ass kissing Forza articles you wrote before you reviewd it Nick. Anybody who followed those articles could see that you were biased and you were not the right person to review it. Also you say you got bored by Forza 2 so tell me why does your headline for the review start as Forza Motorsport 3 Review â€“ Return Of The King. Seriously Forza 2 was the king of racing for you? You expect us to buy that you didnt go into this review with your score already made up in your head? I dont think so.
You guys write these progressive articles and its not one that pisses ppl off but this progression of showing where the person who writes thhe articles head is at. Everytime Geoff writes an article about PSN we all know he hates PSN. Everytime you write an artcle about a car game we know that it will come second to you when you love Forza so much.
How about writing an article about how freaking good Sony have done this year compared to their terrible start hey? Or would you guys prefer to have readers on here who kiss your ass when someone critisises and make comments like PSN sucks? If thats the calibre of reader you guys want then by all means continue to do what you do and this site will be full of 360 fanboys.
Hell you guys spend so much time posting shit about PS3 you miss out on such amazing stuff like Demon’s Souls which is the best RPG released this generation and oh so original. Or talking about the GOW collection and comparing it the PS2 versions. I know not everyone will import those amazing games but they are coming to PAL territories because both games are amazing. Its a pity you guys cant see the potential of what Sony does for the industry in the same way that MS keeps pushing Sony to peform better. Form your own opinions and stop posting meta critic reviews, twitter opinions and N4G fanboy flaimbate garbage.
Get some credibility back into the site. Oh and if you have to respond Slippymadfrog then at least try and debunk what i said or form your own opinions as im sure Lazygamer staff can defend themselves ok Mommy!

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
Just a quick comment,
Fridays news had 2 articles directly referencing the PS3. This one and the Assassin’s Creed 2 comparison. Only the AC2 one was negative against the PS3.
The 3D gaming stories have been posted and will continue to be posted even though I think it’s doomed to failure. We are at least 5 years away from it being a remote possibility and right now is purely a tech demo.

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
You make a lot of points, some not really for me so I will stick to a few that you made but if you want me to answer any others I will do so.
To be completely honest with you, and this has been mentioned many times before, any good news about the PS3 or bad news about the Xbox 360 seems to almost go unnoticed, people don’t comment on them much and so they just disappear, so if anything I leave that down to the readers to be completely honest. Just look at this very comment thread, some people are calling us out for not posting news that was actually posted on already, which is unfair on us.
You are completely correct about Xbox Live in South Africa, it’s not even supported here and the last thing we need is to have MS think we don’t need official support here. That being said I have used both services and in my personal opinion, I prefer Live for it’s party systems/ party invite systems built into multiplayer and so on, it makes life a breeze most of the time. For a free service PSN is great, but my own opinion is that I would happily pay for it if Sony were to really bring on the features that Live has, I really would. Geoffs title may have been a little misleading, but to tell you the truth I got excited when I read it because I thought it meant that Sony were going to bust out some huge features with a subscription, I don’t even know how Sony are keeping PSN free.
With regards to the Forza 3 review: I posted 30 – 40 articles about the game you say? Of course I did, it was a highly anticipated upcoming game, we do the same for any major game releases coming, we do it with all games. “The Return of the King” is very valid as 1: there is no other Xbox 360 sim franchise that keeps up with it and 2: If you want to bring the Playstation 3 into it, they have yet to release their game, so they aren’t in the picture yet.(Prologue is not a full title and in my opinion doesn’t reflect the full experience that is planned for GT5).
I am already in a catch 22 right? Give GT5 a good review and people will say I am only doing it to hide my fanboyism and to justify my Forza 3 score, give it a bad review, and it’s because I am a fanboy and hate the Playstation…
This is what I already know I have to put up with.
I don’t understand how “Forza 3 is a great game” translates as “GT5 is a crap game” to everyone? I get called out for being a Forza fanboy by people for giving it a good score? GT5 isn’t even out yet and I am waiting to get my hands on it?

ewie
Correct the developers said they redid the whole engine gor GT5, so prologue was just an expansion on the old gt4 engine. And the proper Game with new engine etc, will get released next year and it took 5 years to make.

http://www.animedirect.co.za Wushutiger
Will these fanboys (emphasis on BOYS) ever grow up? Can you sit back for a second and analyze exactly what you are getting so defensive about? NOTHING WORTH ANYTHING! The article was NOT biased in any way. Your responses , especially Strife Lives, show exactly how BIASED you actually are! On top of that, misinformed and in some cases uneducated. The article clearly stated the facts without any bias. Enjoy your games, enjoy your console, and remember, both consoles will always have positives and negatives, thats life, deal with it and start living in the real world with us…the lazygamer crew already is already there….
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
:wub: This has become my favourite post ever… I love the fact that this non-anti PSN article has more heated comments than the recent article slating religion and making derogatory accusations against Catholic priests. Gotta say I didn’t see that happening :wub:

easy
this horrifies me!
the vast majority of commenters show signs of unbridled bigotry. which is to be expected, seeing as its one of humanity’s ugly traits.
but we are discussing games!! not race, religion or politics… but f***ing games for crying out loud!
the comments reek misplaced anger and juvenile loyalty.
opinions are one’s right, not one’s obligation. unfortunately it’s a lesson rarely heeded yet oft-abused.
:sick:

StrifeHawkins
Fence sitter! stop acting like a prophet!

easy
fence sitter? if you want to call it that, that’s fine by me.
but saying i’m acting like a prophet… now thats got me a bit pissed off. i try my best to look at everything from a rational point of view, and endeavour to be unbiased as possible. it doesn’t always work out that way, but i at least try to make an effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imUPH9sENwA
Gaius
Maybe he is a prophet :angel:

Nick
I give up. At least Nick tried to read my post. The rest of you cant even respond to a single point i raised and waved your little on Noes its a fanby childish replies. This is a games site by the way so i would think that we can discuss gaming and not politics and religion but hey i guess thats another reason to live this site.
@Lazygamer Yet again you prove my point. You just told us you will post 3D gaming articles from Sony news but you think theres no point because your mind is made up and its 5 years away and Epic fail. Hell of a journalist you are. Its just a tech demo coming out before Natal. I guess thats epic fail to.
I give up. The fanboy withdraws from this thread.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
The difference between 3D gaming and Project Natal (and the PS3 wands) is that the 3D gaming is at least another generation behind them and as such will receive a loewr amount of coverage until it gets closer or becomes more of a possibility.

Loki
I just wanna thank everyone who participated in this thread. I just spent an hour reading this and it completely made my day. PS3fanboys/XBOXfanboys who gives a crap? Play the game on the console you prefer.
ProfessionalAlterBoyHooker
Fanboys remind of the people that are crazy about the environment, they always say we are doomed because of what we do, the end is in 20 years time and our kids will end up living in bubbles etc… Yet the very same people when asked about the deep intricate details of the cause they are fighting for, they are clueless because it’s just something they enjoy feeling strong about. It’s sad really. Global warming is a hoax, so is the maximum graphical limit of any console being reached by any one game. :ninja:

StrifeHawkins
When you’re children are bald and have several sexual parts on them you will be eating so much crow. Global warming is happening, ignorance does not mean it is not!
If you look at how much smog is covering johannesburg, and and then go to sabie you will see that mankind truly is destroying the planet. Emissions released into the atmosphere today will only affect us in a decades time , so please dont lie, it took so long to get people to believe and support the planet now you want to be in denail. i hope a meteor lands on your toe!
Bobby Kotick is your father
professionalAlterboyHooker.. you sir, are an ignoramus. What next, you’re also an Aids denialist? And pray tell, why do you consider Global warming a hoax? No better yet, just shut the fuck up, and educate yourself.

http://www.animedirect.co.za Wushutiger
Guys, look it up please, before you put your feet in your mouths AGAIN. If global warming is a result of humans, then why pray tell are the temperatues of Venus, Saturn etc ALSO rising? Is it because of all the people driving cars there and carbon emissions? No, its because of INCREASED SOLAR ACTIVITY. That is the true cause of warming…..our effect is so minimal its not worth mentioning. But by all means, if you guys want to pay a tax on that …GO AHEAD!

StrifeHawkins
Maybe because those planets are balls of fail? there is no life there so any theory you have fails, those planets are not stable and their cores are very much still active! unlike earth who’s core is very small in comparison and is cooled down alot. Those planets dont sustain life, and in order to sustain life a planet might only need 1% lower average temperature! why is there no life on mars, its temperatures should be able to sustain some life but it does not!
You are exactly like bush, or any Anc member, you deny that it exists, and when it exists you deny saying that you did not say that is does not exist!
you wushutiger are a classic example of a hyprocrite in the making.
Bobby Kotick is your father
Solar flare induced climate change (or solar forcing) is interesting because it has been responsible for climate change during the life time of our plane), however, as of climate change during the last 50 to 60 years, the sun’s effect does not sufficiently contribute to global warming. In fact, since the late 1970s (when measurements were initially started), solar input show neither a net increase nor a net decrease.
Just face it Wushutiger, humans are having a profound effect on our planet’s atmosphere. In addition, we’re also having an effect on the hydrological cycle (through pollution, don’t let me get started on dioxins) and on biodiversity in general.
Source: “Ol’Bobby Kotick is your father” has a PhD in Atmospheric Science and is currently doing a second PhD in geology. I’m also currently working at the CSIR. In other words… I know what I’m talking about. :dizzy: Sigh, and you’d be amazed how prevelant this view that global warming is a myth is in government and even within our department of Enviro affairs.
In other words, we’re in kak folks…
StrifeHawkins
You should be more logical, how many millions of cars are in the world? how much carbon are they emitting where is the carbon going? is it just dissapearing? No! how much do trees reduce carbon by? is it nopt true that millions of trees are cut down every year? if you live in a glass bottle and burn a fire in there will you not suffocate?? is it not proven that carbon is accumulating in the atmosphere? so i will gladly pay for SARS tax as well as tax to keep the futre safe

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Unless PSN somehow caused global warming, I am not entirely sure how this thread got so off track

V@mp
:biggrin:
V@mp
OMG! This was an interesting read to say the least.
God bless the retards…i mean fanboys/girls.
May the obstacles of logical debate never block their way and may personal attacks and name-calling remain their main form of communication. Forever and ever. Amen :angel:

StrifeHawkins
Blame the fail ninja!
ReAVeR
Holy mother of fuck! My brain is downright bleeding after reading through all this frothing-at-the-mouth fanboy bullshit. The stupid… it burns…
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
While fearful that I may incite a riot I have to admit that I am not completely sold on the idea that humans are causing global warming. I have no education in the area but I have seen highly respected and educated scientists arguing their points on both sides of the wall and currently I am leaning more towards the natural cyclic warming of the planet.
The recent leaked emails from the climate change scientsts in the UK appear to show a group under strain who are not 100% confident of their ideas.
Also the last report I read was something about the Antarctic ice caps were dumping 50 billion litres of water in the ocean every year which is proof of global warming but the margin of error was 55 billion litres which in my world means it’s a non existent theory. The margin of error cannot equal the result. That’s just stupid.

lans
@lazygamer.co.za you my “friend” are in the most respectfull way are a fail cake!
What you actually believe we doing nothing to the planet! How many species of animals have become extinct, countries and mountains are losing their snow caps, temperatures are rising so are sea levels at much faster rates than their natural cycles, fish are dying. Carbon levels are drastically rising?
Have you ever been to beijing! you actually cant breathe properly the pollution is so bad! When you leave jhb you see huge domes of pollution millions of cars are emitting pollution into the air do you really believe that the gas is just doing nothing? look at how man has changed the landscape of the planet and you tell me we cant change the climate bs!
Lazygamer after all the good work that has been done over the years to make society conscientious of our environment you want us to piss it all away and do nothing and carry on messing up the earth. You blow chunks dude seriously

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
I never said we were doing nothing, I just don’t think we are doing as much as some people say we are… I don’t think we are that powerful to be honest.
But I really don’t have a strong opinion on this matter… I believe that the scientists will come to a common agreement about what needs to be done.
At the moment I recycle a crap load of things, am happy to pay an environmental tax on petrol, prefer to ride bicycles and motorbikes to cars and buy all my groceries fresh from the farmers market and support organics and all that jazz..
But if you think a couple of million people recycling and cutting back on Electricity and gas usage is going to make a difference you are sadly mistaken. One major oil refinery causes more pollution than millions of people

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
I know one thing. The Toyota Prius ain’t gonna save the world. lol. At least it’s a good thought, or just a great campaign for politicians and celebrities.
Oh, and @lans, I don’t think Lazy means that we shouldn’t do everything we can to preserve our beautiful planet, I think he just means that he believes that we may have less to do with it than we think. The fact that there is polution everywhere and the world is becoming a dirty place, well thats still a problem either way.
SlippyMadFrog
Damn, this thread is insane! Which topic shall we tackle next? Mmmmm…
Who likes the new Indiana Jones movie? If you do then I think you are a f@g!!! Indiana Jones in a fridge during a nuclear explosion FTW!!

Super_Bonk
The latest Indiana Jones flick insulted my intelligence. Aliens WTF was that all about. I guess indigenous south americans were’nt smart enough to create sophisticated societies.
With regards to global warming: The only constant is change.
@ Bobby Kotick is your father: Two PHD’s that is insane. Should you not be working on your thesis instead of posting here. I sure finished my thesis fast enough when the university threatened to cut my funding.Bastards

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
This site was born out of my desire to avoid my dissertation… see good can come from procrastination

Super_Bonk
I bet you never thought you would get so many insults thrown at you. If they did’nt threaten to cut my funding I would still be working on my thesis.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
No I did not.. I thought it would be nice to have a local news website for gamers to discuss what we play and how we hate being shafted by the big bad international distributors..
Little did I know that I would be the one who everyone hated :w00t:
But I have to say I prefer it to studying, I hated studying…
easy
come on! lazy loves it, otherwise he would’ve bailed long time ago.
at any rate, kudos to lazy (and co.) for putting up with the constant barrage :biggrin:

Darkling
The Ps3 is eco friendly. The PLAYSTATION 3 is actually powered by the souls of small children it harvests while left unattended at night. :ninja:
trin
@Nick & LZG: I think all of these ‘hate’ comments just goes to show that you guys have one of the top gaming news websites in the country – even your biggest ‘anti-fans’ can’t resist reading and commenting on every news snippet/review. :tongue:
The Dude
Hell yeah! Flame on mothertruckers!
Bathory
Man, this thread kicks ass! REALLY entertaining!
Like it or not, it’s good to have fanboys, otherwise there won’t be stuff like this to read…
spl0it
Die PS3 is vir Moffies

Darkling
LMFGA!

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Lol just went into my TV room, everytime my maid cleans my PS3 she presses the eject button by mistake so I always find it on with the disc half out. It must scare the kak out of her sometimes lol.

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Sorry, this thread just seemed like the appropriate place to write that, it being an open discussion now and all.. lol. Who needs twitter

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
I’d lambaste you for going horribly off topic…but I don;t think there really is a topic at hand.

easy
talk about repatriation there Geoff!! all you had to do is jot down a couple words, and wham! you got a gold mine of commentary.
awesome work

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
Who knew man…who knew?

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
On the earlier notes (lol), RubyGold just tweeted this guardian article about an apparent Global Warming Conspiracy thingy whatever http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/23/global-warming-leaked-email-climate-scientists

http://therockmasons.blogspot.com/ Bobby Kotick believes in Money Change
What’s awesome about the scientific method is that it’s self regulating, so if they were cooking the books, irregular or false data will eventually prove themselves to be outliers (as more independent data is collected and analysed). However, even if this group (or the 3 or 4 scientists who’s emails were stolen) did act inappropriately, it still doesn’t disproves human-induced climate change, since there is other evidence of human-induced climate change. At worst, it’s a PR disaster for the science, and one I suppose will prove costly in the future. :pirate:

Darkling
Funny you say that,my friend once got home after school just to find his PsOne in the dishwasher! Let’s just say,he wasn’t impressed.. :pinch:

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Oh lol that sucks!

trin
You let your maid touch your PS3? :cwy:

http://www.designwave.co.za Nick de Bruyne
Fanboy phrases aside, that black machine does in fact gather a crap load of dust, it’s like a freakin dust magnet.

http://www.lazygamer.co.za Geoff
You should trade it in for a slim. Matte black ftw.
http://www.lazygamer.co.za LazySAGamer
In other unrelated news, I think Geoff has just stolen the lead in the most commented article race…
You are going to have to get cracking on some more controversial stories if you want to win the golden lips…

http://therockmasons.blogspot.com/ Bobby Kotick believes in Money Change
lol

Wushutiger
Does anyone here want to give us some concrete evidence that humans are ACTUALLY causing global warming as a direct result of carbon emissions? ….looking at the posts above all is see is WHAT we do as humans but no concrete link to global warming.
And Strifeheart , you have the debating skills of a baboon, and I am not in the habit of debating with baboons.
:tongue:

Super_Bonk
This being an open discussion and all, so don’t go dissing the baboons. You have to love those critters. Anyways, Global Warming aside what about those penisula baboons and us humans encroaching on them.
As for Global Warming I suggest you go read some peer review journals and not neccesarily those tier 5 Science and Nature ones.
@BobbyKotick
The question really is whether developing countries can afford to pursue sustainable energy policies, i.e. solar/wind power whilst trying to industrialise at the same time. Can we really expect that from many african and other developing countries.

Porter Sulyma
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