ditto. you’ve already paid for the use of any game’s multiplayer function once you’ve bought it.

If WarHawk can do it then so can everyone else. And WarHawk make their money back by realeasing add-on packs which we purchase.

What they do that is excellent though is they make sure the add-on packs are very good and they are also quite cheap.

A lot of online games can learn from what they have done.

So if you buy a mmo game, why do you pay a monthly subscription ?

Lazy, you are wrong.

Game traffic does not go through Live or PSN. The service you pay for has nothing to do with game traffic, it is more about the experience,ie. PSN store, Live Arcade, Movie downloads, keeping track of who’s online etc.

If PSN was to blame for LBP crashing, all of us would have had problems, but I don’t have any problems logging in to PSN. The problem lies on the LBP servers, not on PSN.

No matter how many blades Sony or MS install, if the game server is k@k, all will suffer. MS sidestepped the problem mainly by enforcing a peer-to-peer network structure on the developers, instead of asking them to host the games on servers.

or get petrol free

what would charging people do to help?

i know, it would stop more people from using the servers so they wouldnt be as congested, just like toll booths on roads

They’re never going to charge for the service, it’s one of their strongest marketing points. I also don’t really agree that “all these stats, matchmaking and the rest” are creating a bottleneck. The simple fact is that the LBP Beta didn’t prepare the developers or server technicians for the influx of traffic when people actually got hold of the full game. They probably had around 200,000 LBP Beta users spread across the world, so probably never had 200,000 people using the servers at once. Now the game is out in North America where I’m guessing about a million copies would have been sold, maybe a little less, you’re increasing the load by 4 or 5 times. It’s undoubtedly going to cause some slow down.

I don’t think charging for the service is going to help alleviate this, the PSN is barely ever down, it’s incredibly stable in my opinion. Rather what they should do is widen the Beta to as many people who are interested. Stop this ridiculous farce that is Beta Keys and just get as many people using it as possible. The content is going to expire anyway, and people who enjoyed the game are going to buy it regardless of whether they’ve played it before in the beta. Surely these kind of public Betas are for nothing else other than testing the servers anyway, it’s nothing to do with gameplay or interface tweaks as they come too late in the life cycle of development.

AMEN!

Stupid argument. Fact is, stuff break, and Sony is not going to sit around for next year’s budget before they fix a broken server. Even MS was down over the busiest time of the year last year, my money did not prevent Live from crashing horribly. It also did not help them to get the system up in 10 mins. It took them a few days if I can remember correctly.

What really pisses me off is that Sony is giving service for free – we’re not paying, and it is NOT A BAD service. They even recognise SA and our currency. But you guys can even take something that is free, and good, and throw it in Sony’s face. FTF?

So hereby I congratulate Sony on a job well done. Please excuse the dumb a$$es who look a given horse in the mouth and continue with your excellent service.

Yah well said. This notion that PSN is down 23 hours a day, unstable and unusable is BS. Thing is, 1 milion people go online at once when a game is launced. Servers starts sweating, crashes and reboots. After a couple of days it reaches a steady state. This happens with WoW as well. Don’t really see the issue here. Ah well

Worked real well for Microsoft last Christmas when Live went down for a month. That’s a pay service isn’t it?

why does everybody worry about MS charging, they arent doing this for cookies and love bites. these people have families too feed and to keep us customers happy aswel. I dont see why paying $50 +/-R600 a year. Wow as if R50 a month (if xbox live ever comes to SA)is gonna make you bankrupt if you cant afford the hobbie take on painting or dvd collecting.

I and for Sony good for them if they dont charge for online gaming, if thats their stragedy for lurying buyers in then if it works why not.

You guys dont hear the WOW guys moaning about paying like 9 Pounds a month just to keep on playing. And plus where do you think M$ gets all those Kudos to make previous “PS2 exclusives” a reality on they’re console

It’s a debatable issue but like saying which is better vanilla or chocolate.

Xbox Live games share infrastructure, so Microsoft can have a “New uber game launch cluster” to soak up massive demand when any new game comes out. By comparison Each developer on PSN has to have the same amount of servers for each game, not very cost efficient, and prone to shortages, as we’ve seen.

The reverse of that though was Xbox Xmas – if the network goes down, then everyone suffers, so there’s pro’s and cons to both arguments.

ok i already pay for internet {broad band} pay for the ps3
bought the 60 dolloar games,pay for extra content online and now you want me to pay for psn!! WOW i think thats a little much, i think thats what makes ps3 much better than 360 because the free service if you take that away, hell i really got an 360 lol.. we pay so muc for all these things anyways
and by making us pay more thats pushin it alot!!!

So Mike, what is so wrong with the PSN that you would like to pay for? I play 360 and PS3 online, and I’ve never had a hickup with either. I think the PSN store is MUCH BETTER organized than the Live arcade. The fact that Sony shows us that they can do it for free, and in our own currency must be an embarressment to MS.

BTW, why would delevopers ‘skimp’ on their network? Do you think they go:
OK guys, we’ve created a multi million dollar game. I’ve got an idea! Let’s skimp the servers and fcuk all our players!

I’m sorry but you are completely missing the point.
No one (Lazy or myself) said it was a bad service. I don’t
have a PS3 so I can’t comment. The point is, by being payed a
fee MS is forced into providing and improving a service.
If they don’t, people don’t use Live and they lose out directly on money.
While Sony may provide a good service that they
update regularly, they don’t have as much of
an incentive to as MS do to keep it updated. There is
no direct financial impact. (Sure indirectly people may stop
buying games etc etc, but I meant directly)

a month? Are you sure mate

Wow man, you are a complete dumbass. just shut the fuck up JDawGZ. you have no idea what your’re talking about. stop trying to sound smart.