This is why GTA V isn’t on PC yet

This is why GTA V isn’t on PC yet

This is how I picture accountants at these eventsLast night the bean counters at Take Two Interactive released their financials for the last year and there were some surprising announcements in between all the tedious non-GAAP and loan note talking.

First up let’s take a look at the juicy sales numbers. 

Borderlands 2 has now become 2K’s biggest selling title with the latest retail push helping the title sail past the 8.5 million mark. 2K, owned by Take Two, also pulled in some great sales of their signature NBA 2K series with the latest version, NBA2K14, selling over 5 million units which has pushed the franchise over the 35 million mark to date.

But the real money spinner was obviously Grand Theft Auto V which has now officially sold over 32 million copies already and is still widely expected to earn a lot more money with upcoming DLC, Xbox One and PS4 versions as well as the much-anticipated PC version.

The rest of the income earned is spread across XCOM, Bioshock, WWE, Civ 5 and GTA: San Andreas to name a few.

However those aren’t the most surprising numbers from the announcement. If you scroll all the way down Take Two have also given the breakdown of sales according to mobile, console or PC and the results are mind-blowing.

Consoles vs The Master Race

In the 2012 financial year the breakdown was as follows

  • Console – 80%
  • PC – 18%
  • Mobile – 2%

A clear lead for the console market which is a bit of a shock since Max Payne 3 was released during that time on all platforms.

But fast forward to today and the breakdown for 2013 sales is vastly different

  • Console – 97%
  • PC – 3%
  • Mobile – 0%

Who's the master race now?

To put it bluntly Take Two is now simply a console house with that 3% barely even worth the effort of porting games over. Games like NBA2K, Borderlands 2 and XCOM: Enemy Within are debatably better on the console and with consoles having total domination inside the company you can understand why top titles like Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto V simply aren’t on the immediate horizon for PC gamers.

Do we have to mention the obvious factor of piracy being a major issue on the PC and that is possibly why Take-2 are investing more into consoles than the platform of the master race?

Sales tactics and Digital vs Retail

Take Two’s new sales plan also includes bundles with their next two bundles being Borderlands 2 & Dishonoured hitting retailers on the 11th of February along with a second, decidedly odd bundle of Skyrim & Bioshock Infinite which would make a perfect Valentine’s present for that special person in your life.

And for all of those, like me, who was worried that digital sales would ruin the typical retail experience it is nice to see that Take Two’s digital sales only accounted for 3% of all their sales. Again with GTA V skewing that results quite badly. Last year digital accounted for 22% of sales as a comparison.

The last bit of interesting info is that North America counts for 45% of all Take Two sales with the rest of the world combined making up the other 55% with no region being big enough to get a special mention.

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  • Sentient_slug

    PC’s are for writing reports.

    • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

      See what you are doing is taking something consoles CAN’T do and saying PC ONLY do that… Nope… Wrong

      • Lourens Jordaan

        I’m with you. PC’s are great for developing console games.

        • RinceThis2014

          Ouch 😉

        • ToshZA

          lol!!!

        • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

          Indeed they are… Taking into account that a console is just a PC with a limiting native OS on it. You can’t code a game on a console.

          In the end consoles would not exist without PCs. For some reason people look past this fact. It’s weird really. Kind of like people are in denial.

          In the end people who only use consoles tend to only play games on it and maybe watch some TV.

          • Lourens Jordaan

            Even though I’m a console gamer, I would have loved to have a decent gaming PC for RTS or space and flight simulators but as it is, I have a console for gaming and a notebook for the rest.

          • SUGI PULA

            Dude, you can build a decent rig for under $1,000 and enjoy all the advantages plus cheaper games. Check out newegg.com for components…if you’re not sure about compatibility, check out pcpartpicker.com

            Good luck.

          • Lourens Jordaan

            Thanks for the info but I can’t justify having a PS4, a personal laptop, a work laptop, and a gaming PC and nobody is taking my PS4 away from me. In a couple of years I might convince myself to get a new PC but it’s not even on my list of priorities yet.

          • SUGI PULA

            If you’re happy with your current hardware, by all means stick with it…I’m just offering a more practical option which would cost you much less in the long run. Just something to consider…

            Cheers.

          • Joker

            Ill take your PS4 from you.

          • pacmancando

            I got a amd 3.2ghz 6-core with 16gb if ddr3(1600) a nvidia 9600gt with 2gb gddr5, a 1tb 7200hdd, 256gb sshdd, 1000w psu, with case for less then 900(cad)

            good riggs are cheat

          • SUGI PULA

            Exactly…a comparable AMD gaming rig will always be less expensive.

            My main gaming rig runs on Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit with a 4770K @ 4.4GHz + 2 GTX 780 Ti, but I also have an older rig with a Phenom II 6 core 1100T @ 3.3GHz + 1 GTX 550 Ti which was built for under $1,000 USD and it still smokes…it’s mainly for older games and still running on XP Pro SP3.

          • haha

            wow! you got bumped!! haha i have double that specs for same price! DOUBLE!

          • KILLERKRONIC

            that all sounds good except for the graphics card get a gtx I got amd fx 6300 3.5ghz OC to 4.5ghz kingston hyperx 8gb ddr3 1866mhz gtx 650 ti boost 2gb 1tb hdd 430w psu windows 8.1 x64 actually under 500 and max all games

          • mycroft16

            Plus, with a PC you can upgrade components over time to always have a top of the line machine capable of playing ANYTHING game designers come up with. You don’t have to buy a whole new $500 console every 2 years. Just the occasional GPU or CPU upgrade.

          • SUGI PULA

            Precisely…and if you already have a decent CPU which can be overclocked, you won’t need to upgrade it for several years. Heck, I may not need to do anything until Skylake comes out:
            http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/07/05/intel-skylake/1

          • cosmin

            new consoles don’t come out every 2 years lol every 8 years you mean and we don’t need to upgrade anything on consoles to continue playing new games with pc you need upgrading every 1 2 years

          • Mark Treloar

            I assume you mean every 1 to 2 years? The answer is well, NO. My PC is 3 years old and still outperforms new gen consoles, and for the price of a new console I can upgrade to a PC that will make current gen consoles bleed green with envy.

          • mycroft16

            You have to buy a whole new console every time they come out with one. I don’t have to buy a whole new PC, just components as technology evolves.

          • Tj Yau

            Why do you have to upgrade this blows my mind why people think this. You purchase parts that last 4-5 years to play on ultra then you upgrade again when new games come out. While consoles end up having either super dumbed down graphics or 15fps, Just take a look at gta v for xbox 360 15fps if your lucky that not even playable dude. Id rather build something thats going to last than some weak machine that is outdated at launch *cough* xbone/ps4 *cough*

          • dex

            Under $500 if you don’t count the peripherals such as screen. In most cases it’s cheaper than new-gen consoles + tv screen.

          • SUGI PULA

            Yeah, agreed…$1,000 w/o peripherals could build a very competent rig. For half of that amount, you may still beat current gen console specs…and you’ll be able to upgrade later…which should be very easy considering how much money you’ll save on games, mandatory online fees and other console schemes.

          • replyr

            Not everybody lives in the US and thus PCs are way more expensive. Also, you can’t go on newegg.com if you don’t live in the US, UK or i think australia

        • Hammersteyn

          Upvote sir.

        • SUGI PULA

          Exactly. One day, the console master race might understand this.

        • Cameron Willer

          The Thing that bugs me is that alot of these games are made on PC but arent natively put onto PC first……..its so backwards and i quite frankly think its game developers faults for not promoting the PC as the superior platform when it would be easier to code for, they do it on there anyways. Theyre just going for all the 10 year olds that dont know how to use a PC when tbh not everyone torrents and if they had better encryption it wouldnt be worth cracking

        • test01412

          dumb*ss, PC is way better than consoles, go play with your freaking controller with slow motion cursor movement. hahahha.

          consoles = “hey kid, buy this console”, stuck forever with lame hardware.
          PC = “hey kid, want to BUILD awesome gaming machine”, customizable, for HARDCORE GAMERS.

          console gamers are just “meh”

        • Steve Ahle

          PC’s are great for playing games, too.

          That is, if you want the best graphics possible. Steam is trying to convert PC gaming into a console experience, all new PC games come with controller options….Who wouldn’t want the power of 2 PS4’s in one? It’s hilarious that people are really that ignorant of PC superiority. It really doesn’t matter when you can hack PS3, PS4, 360, & Xbox One controllers without a problem. It isn’t perfect yet but PC’s have almost always developed engines/games….Have you considered that new Microsoft & Sony consoles use PC architecture? Well, it’s not really rocket science, PC gaming is preparing to develop…It’s not just keyboard & mouse gaming, it’s now becoming more like a console. Steam’s new game streaming feature is also pretty epic. I can play a game in my room, then pick it right back up in my living room. If you fail to recognize superiority, I salute you for paying less for less.

      • Sentient_slug

        Well they can do more than reports but they cant sell games. if you have the whole microsoft office suite you can also make power points which are sometimes useful.

        • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

          Yeah, but then again I am not interested in only gaming. Which is why a console bores me. My PS3 just sits there. Doing nothing but act as a media server.

          Also you referenced Microsoft… Awwwww that’s cute!

          • Sentient_slug

            HAHA I’m just prodding the bear dude, i have both, I use both, and i love both.

          • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

            😛 No worries. I just tend to state facts when the whole PC vs Console thing comes up.

            I own a PS3, WiiU and PC. Love technology in general <3

            I just can't get into consoles 100% though… I just find it too limiting and open for exploitation by the manufacturers. PC just gives me the freedom I love.

          • Sageville

            ….and torrents…. just saying…

          • EntertainmentPie

            Yes, but given how much space modern torrents take up, not many people use them because they take forever if there’s a lack of seeders and many are unreliable

          • thatguy

            You’re an idiot… lol

          • EntertainmentPie

            Adding on to my previous point. Most people use GTA V for the multiplayer, you can’t use it if you have a torrent version. Therefore people won’t bother

          • SUGI PULA

            Good point concerning multiplayer…so much for the “piracy” argument.

          • Prithvi Boinpally

            Ever heard of tuungle

    • Hammersteyn

      Bwahahaha. You forgot FPS and Strategy games but nice trolling

      • Sentient_slug

        HAHA thanks dude 😉

    • General JJ PanGirl

      And statistics on how they’re still better.

    • Kastrenzo

      And -making- video games.

    • SUGI PULA

      Don’t use mommy’s cheap PC which wasn’t even built for gaming.
      Try a gaming rig, retard…good luck.

    • Casper

      PC’s are for true gamers. Not console wannabes.

    • Mr.Butthole

      And making games… -_-

    • Silithas

      Says the one who can’t afford a good gaming rig.

      the reason why i want it for pc is cause the old machines called x360 and ps3 cannpot even do a proper antialiasing nor good graphics.

      I got the game on xbox, and im selling it when V releases for pc.

    • Yeah You Heard Right !

      Whatever is PLAYED On the Consoles Are CREATED In The PCs !
      So Yeah Go With that “PC’s are for writing reports” Crap of yours. Mouses and Keyboards Still Feel Better For GTA than anything else.

    • Lars Anderson

      And making your precious console games. This article has more fanboy butthurt than GT. It’s also inaccurate since it probably does not include global digital sales, ie; Steam, GOG, Amazon, etc. Sales aside, any game ported well on PC is better on PC. I’ll never buy a console because of that.

    • test01412

      PC’s do a lot which console can’t do. hahaha, multipurpose > 1 purpose. hahhaa

    • Gustavo Dreyer

      Yet, it has way better graphics, higher FPS, fullHD in all games, you can chose if you want to play with a mouse or gamepad… and you can also, write your reports. Grow up, man.

  • RinceThis2014

    Wow. Then again, if you don’t MAKE games for the so called Master Race stating they have fewer sales is a bit redundant. Now if they had released GTAV on the PC and the sales were still 3% THAT would be a kick in their overly inflated nuts.

    • Johan Fourie

      This. A million times, this.

      I have nothing more to say. Here, take this free internet. You deserve it.

      • RinceThis2014

        God, and to think I am a console boy 😛

        • Mathias

          Spot on.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          We will convert you. Come back to the light!

          • RinceThis2014

            Neva!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            You can do more with a PC than just streaming from Netflix!

          • RinceThis2014

            I just think it’s easier to pour out the content from a console, much lighter…

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Unless you spill it everywhere 😉

          • ALKi1234

            haha “streaming netflix” 😉 we all know what streaming your really talking about!

          • VampyricSquirrel Monk

            Netflix? He watches Youtube on his console lol

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            oh… I know. I know all too well. BVVVVVVVVVMMMMMMMMMM

    • ToshZA

      Wonder how many people actually overlook this fact.

      Wait until the PC version is released, then compare.

      • RinceThis2014

        Ya. Though one can see they would rather just take the money and run and not waste it on PC due to the age old excuse of piracy.

        • ToshZA

          Yeah but many devs have already said, piracy isn’t what loses them the money. Its a silly argument – people have been pirating games for decades. On floppy disks, it was as easy as copy/paste. Devs still made the games.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          An age old excuse that’s worn very thin. They make more money on console versions of games than PC versions because they can charge more on consoles, so they focus on that.

          • Sageville

            Have we forgotten that developing games for PC requires ALOT more testing and Quality Assurance. Unlike consoles, there isn’t a standard PC Dev box, you need to cater for a myriad of hardware combinations which are changing pretty often, AMD vs Intel, AMD vs Nvidia, different OS versions, different motherboards/audio etc. Whereas for a console game, they only need to look at tops 3 different standardized development boxes.

            In the end Devs lurve the consoles coz it’s less work, also less pirating.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Yes that’s true. Now you’re just making me sad.

          • ToshZA

            See, this would make a ton more sense to me than “OMG Piracy”.

            Workload and man hours represent costs that would require a lot more sales to cover. This makes sense, have an upvote.

          • Brian Murphy

            Have you forgotten Skyrim on PS3? They had the simplified architecture, and still fucked it up beyond all recognition.

          • Mark Treloar

            Which makes you wonder why Rockstar hired someone with specific skills in building PC;s to different specs?

          • Krank

            x86 CPU architecture and DirectX video are about as standardized as it gets, and every major PC hardware manufacturer complies with them. Aside from the infrequent occurance of a video card manufacturer failing to provide a driver update, there’s no concern for compatibility with PC developers, else these small-team indy titles would never see the light of day. The largest concern is affording a variety of graphic settings to tweak, which, if you console people could access them, are already available for modification within the game’s configuration files. The devs would have to create a frontend for them. That’s the extent of extra work.

            And anyway, most multiplatform games these days are developed on multiplatform engines and ported to their destination console. That tired “PC testing and QA is a logistical nightmare” argument doesn’t/has never held water, but people keep using it regardless. I get that you guys don’t tend to know as much about these things, but come on now. If you don’t know, at least don’t pretend that you do.

            The devs love consoles because they hold the largest market share. It’s a simple concept.

          • Ken

            So true. I can’t remember the last time I had a hardware issue with a modern PC game. All these excuses boil down to laziness and greed, in my opinion.

          • Tman

            And you are wrong with the less pirating. Modded consoles are everywhere. GTA 5 was pirated before it was released for the consoles. They also caused a hack to the online version that rendered honest players to having their money taken away also. But I agree with those under me that this is a better arguement.

          • Sageville

            Surely you cannot be suggesting that because there is evidence of console pirating, that there is more console pirating than PC pirating, coz that reasoning is just plain wrong.

          • thatguy

            As console become more advanced, it will just be that much easier to pirate games on them, largest market share leading more pirates to focus efforts there.. Piracy is not a relevant issue in the issue of releasing games for consoles or PCs, it’s nothing more than a lame ass excuse. If it’s only on console, and enough people want to pirate it, they will.

          • Marc O Polo

            every always seems to forget that its business, what ever is gonna make more profit is gonna win out.

        • Tman

          GTA 5 was pirated and released for the consoles before the actual release date. And also the HUGE hack for GTA Online from those with modded consoles running around giving out tons of money and then ruining it for those that actually made their money and had it taken away. Because the master console fanbois know how to ruin a game just as easy.

          • RinceandLeSIGH

            Wow, console fanbois? I play on console and I don’t hack anything, nor have I ever played on a chipped machine. Think you mean ‘arseholes’ not people who like consoles 😛 I agree though, there are plenty of people who hack, but have to also say that it is known to happen more on PC than on any other platform. Let’s just hope that it makes it to PC this year! More GTAV for everyone is a good thing!

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        I wonder how many people won’t buy GTAV PC because they bought a console version?

        • TiMsTeR1033

          lots..

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            That’s what I’m thinking, which will reduce sales of GTAV PC, which in turn will lead to the “PC GAMING IS DEAD!” and “PC IS NOT A VIABLE PLATFORM!” arguments.

          • ToshZA

            We’ve heard those arguments before. A few years ago pc gaming was apparently dead. Well. No. It’s not. It won’t ever be.

            In a generation or so, consoles as we know them will probably die, but PC will live on.

        • Brian Murphy

          Not me, I’ve been waiting patiently for the PC release.

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      But remember Bioshock, XCom, Bordlerands, Cvi 5 etc were all on the PC

      • ToshZA

        GTA sold 35 million copies in this period. No real major games were released on PC in this period if I’m not mistaken? All the games you mention were released pre-2013, so the sales only show follow-up sales.

        What does the sales curve over time look like usually?

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          Analysis is fun. (not joking)

        • Mossel

          I want to agree, but Bioshock was released in March 2013 if I’m not mistaken.

          • ToshZA

            That’s valid, but was released on every platform simultaneously. So the numbers on that would be more accurate than the current values that include GTA V, as well as the older games such as XCOM and Borderlands 2.

            Actually, probably not a bad way to compare the market share on console vs pc.

          • Mossel

            Completely agree! This is exactly what I told Geof somewhere here in the comments.

            EDIT: It seems I never posted the comment, but I wanted to! But yeah, that would make for a great comparison!

      • RinceThis2014

        Yeah. But comparing it to two other consoles is scewing the figures surely?

      • Rags
      • guest

        Speaking of PC games, were there any “AAA” games in the past few years that are PC exclusive, besides MOBAs and MMOs?
        None come to mind off the top of my head.
        Obligatory: not trolling, just curious, don’t want to start a flame war.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          I can’t think of any, most of the recent AAA PC releases have been multi-platform games. The only upcoming one is probably Star Citizen (please don’t suck).

          • guest

            Did you see the prices of the ships on the store though?!
            Surely that can’t be right.

            https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/single-ship-packages

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            lol nope those are correct. I think it’s pretty crazy too, some guys have dropped $10k’s upfront on add-on ships & whatnot. I’ll happily stick to my cheapy ship & earn the rest playing the game.

          • guest

            Wow, that’s crazy.
            I still don’t understand why people buy the best stuff when they start playing a game. Isn’t the point of the game to actually play the game and earn it?
            Maybe it’s just the old school gamers in us that think otherwise.

            Also, this amount grinding that would need to be done in this game to earn decent stuff doesn’t really appeal to me.
            I much rather prefer type of grind you do in Dark Souls 😉

        • Brian Murphy

          Arma 3, best FPS on the market.

          • Ganusman

            Arma 2 is much better

        • Trygg Geoog

          RTS: Rome, Shogun, SCII
          FPS: ARMA, Planetside2

        • Cillian Greene

          Civ V, Crusader kings 2, EU IV, Arma 2, Arma 3 all AAA

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      This includes 2K games titles, like Bioshock Infinite, Xcom and civ 5. How is that /not/ making games for PC?

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        32mil copies of console only GTAV kinda skew the result 😛

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          Yes, it’s obviously quite skewed, as are most statistics which can be bent and twisted to the wielder’s will, still, it does include some pretty high profile games that were on Pc.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            PC apples are better than console apples! Damn it.

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          Which is why I included 2012 numbers… 20% isn’t something to be overly happy about either

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            No, but it’s not a small amount either when talking about the money that 20% represents. So if the percentages are pretty much the same in 2013 if you exclude GTAV, then it’s still significant and it would be a major decision for them to throw away that part of the market completely.

            That’s half the reason I hate reading these things, because there’s so many ways of interpreting them.

          • General JJ PanGirl

            Don’t forget how many games are bought on Steam sales for between a quarter and a sixth of console prices.

          • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

            Ah but remember a PC version would have canibalised sales and lost many other sales due to the ease of piracy on the PC platform. So not giving you the PC version protects their core income

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            2012 included the effect of piracy too, and a pirated copy is not necessarily a lost sale, so I’m not giving you that one lol.

          • Dakan45

            ARE YOU A COMPLETE IDIOT? If taht was the case no one would realese games on pc but everyone dies, developers even bother to bring old games to pc such as enslaved and brutal legend, pc must be making profit.

          • Verrayne

            If you sell 5 million copies and only 20% are on pc. that would mean you sold 1 Million copies on pc. Average sale price that you would get (because most people buy it on steam sales) is a guestimate of $20.

            Remember if you have a dedicated team working on pc porting you would also need a dedicated team to do QA and the QA for pc is about 10 times larger than on console. Once a port is done those staff have got nothing to do. It’s much better out of a business perspective to just focus on the console market.

            You could however get an outside company to do the porting for you, but that never works out well now does it?

          • Trygg Geoog

            20% is fine for 1 system. Remember that 80% of consoles is several systems.

      • RinceThis2014

        No. I meant that there 2 consoles to one PC and that surely that would mean more sales? Also GTAV was the big boy so nothing can really touch it.

        • TiMsTeR1033

          still is a big boy

      • Brian Murphy

        So…we’re seriously comparing the GTA franchise, to Bioshock, Xcom and Civ 5? _Every_ iteration of Bioshock, put together, doesn’t equal the console sales of GTAV. Xcom on PS3/360, and Xcom Enemy Unknown on PC, 360 and PS3 sold a whopping 1.78 million units. And looking at the lifetime sales of Civilization, you can easily say that GTAV has outsold the combined franchises of Civilzation, Bioshock and Xcom.

        Civilization – Doesn’t appeal to nearly as many
        Xcom – May be a good game, but it’s lost in a shuffle of a saturated FPS market
        Bioshock – Great series, though I personally think Fallout 3 just did it better (and it has mods, and it’s open world).

    • Hammersteyn

      Nah they don’t have cash left for AAA titles after upgrading again. They live in Ivory towers filled with Steam sales,Humble bundles and Indie games.

      Excuse me I need to run for my life now.

      • TiMsTeR1033
      • RinceThis2014

        HAHA! I don’tknow if you can run fast enough!

        • Hammersteyn

          LOL Probably not. Will have to strap rockets on my office chair. Wish I had a mod for that but you know…… console gaming.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        You’re going to get TK’d in PS2 lol.

    • Skoobaz

      Never mind RDR. But I have hope for the sequel being on PC

      • Skoobaz

        Oh, and have an upvote

        • Obi Alfred

          You gave yourself an upvote? Lol

    • ALKi1234

      My brother is 100% master race,he can’t even hold a controller. from what i heard the games are cheaper but the dlc is where they make up for the loss compared to the console versions?is this true?

      • RinceThis2014

        Not sure, I’m not a PC master race, but generally speaking the prices are not too different (well, they are in South Africa). Most games are around the $60 mark and the DLC is usually the same price, as far as I can tell.

      • Dakan45

        yes you clueless idiot.

        • ALKi1234

          Yo fuck face ad me on skype so i can give u a peace of my mind!Raidden4 if your not scared u pussy

          • Dakan45

            why would i do that? What exactly you got to add? You hate pc gamers and constantly cal them crap at ever occasion and dodge arguments like a troll.

    • Marc O Polo

      with the increase in piracy it was bound to start happening, even at the 80% at 2012 it has to come down to how much profit they could make from porting a game compared to using those resources to develop new games.

    • VirtualMark

      Exactly what I was thinking.

    • Tman

      They have 650k signatures on the petition to release it on PC. Even if you take 600k and multiple that by $60 (probably base cost), that is $36 mil. They wanted to wait until this year, 2014, to release it so they could raise their bottom line. Not to mention all the people that will buy it later when the price drops.

    • meds

      you’re obviously not that intelligent so let me explain:

      they released max payne 3 on all three platforms simultaneously, and in that period it only managed 18% of revenue for them, they obviously decided 18% was not worth it so they’re not bothering with gta v, which will likely bring 18% again if not less, and it’s likely theyRe worried that PC piracy will eat up their console sales.

      and before you start blabbering on about how there is piracy on consoles, yes, but no where near the same amount of piracy as on PCs, look at the piratebay for any pirated PC game vs. console game, the difference in numbers is huge and makes sense, most people don’t want to lose their consoles warranty and online to get some games for free.

      • RinceandLeSIGH

        Tldc

        • Hammersteyn

          LOOOOOOOL!

        • meds

          I’ll take that as admission you didn’t know what you’re talking about :)

    • mycroft16

      Bingo. You can’t compare your sales between consoles and PC if you don’t make the game for PC. That’s like saying Group A of people ate 10 apples and no oranges so clearly they don’t like oranges when you only offered them apples.

    • Dex

      lol very good point…

  • TiMsTeR1033

    poor Master Race, seeing the light is very hard..

    • Rags
      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        Preach it brother! Can I get an AMEN?

        • ToshZA

          I’m sorry, you can have all the men you want, I don’t swing that way.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Hah! More men for me! wait… O_o

          • TiMsTeR1033

            *sings* Its a raining men!

          • ToshZA

            The two of you (@disqus_DoEH3TsffU:disqus) just made my day. too much of lol!

          • TiMsTeR1033
          • ToshZA

            What the actual fuck? Why do you even have a link like that available? xD

          • TiMsTeR1033

            I did it for the

          • Hammersteyn
          • ToshZA

            A thousand upvotes for you sir.

          • RinceThis2014

            Shame. He was an awesome actor.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Does that guys t-shirt say teabag?

          • TiMsTeR1033

            indeed!

        • Sageville

          NO!

          AMEN is too classy for you, BMEN too….. but I do think you could handle some CMEN though….

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            lol

      • Cillian Greene

        DAT 4K VIDEO!

    • Sageville

      But dood, they have cornered the market on apps such as Calculator and Notepad!

      Silver lining? Totally!

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      I know, it’s because when you’re sitting on the tower balcony the direct sunlight isn’t blocked out by the tall buildings like you peasants ;P

  • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    In the end people who console game are the average person out there. They barely know what a harddrive is. So getting a console is very obvious option for them. You don’t have to upgrade it for years and it is pretty much idiot proof.

    I just prefer a PC, because 1.) console games are expensive and well they kick you in the balls 2.) My PC does way more than just play games.

    • ToshZA

      Porn is on consoles now too, just ask Tim. 😉

      • RinceThis2014

        It so is! Wait 0-O

      • TiMsTeR1033

        Spying on me!! how dare you!

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          It’s not spying when you charge $5 per view Tim.

          • ToshZA

            He’s expensive isn’t he?

          • Hammersteyn

            Probably worth it too.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            You pay top dollar for me!

          • TiMsTeR1033

            O_O what is this you speakth of! people watching me!

    • TiMsTeR1033

      technically consoles do way more than play games too, you can watch tv on them now and order pizza! lol

      • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

        Yeah, but that is kind of where it stops.

        Taking into account that the console is literally the only thing that is customer facing people tend to glorify it.

        Not even to mention the fact that a console is a PC pretty much… The moment you do anything online you are at the mercy of the PC hardware running everything.

        This is an age old argument though. I just state facts. I don’t really argue. Console people (who call themselves this) just for some reason don’t see past the controller in their hands.

        • TiMsTeR1033

          I was kiddin about those things, consoles can play games, watch movies, surf the net, play music thats quite abit more than just games.

      • Brian Murphy

        Well, to be fair, you’ve been able to order groceries, liquor, pizza, and other types of fast food from your PC for many years, depending on the city you live in (NY, Boston, Miami etc…). Plus, I watch TV on PC all the time. 😉

        • Verrayne

          Well I could do that with my telephone… decades ago.

          • Brian Murphy

            So you’ve been watching TV on your telephone for decades? Interesting.

    • Hammersteyn

      That’s why I try to do both.

      • ToshZA

        That’s what she said.

        • Sentient_slug

          Here take an extra vote token

        • Hammersteyn

          hehehe

  • Rags

    Does not follow. I suppose the ratio will go down when you don’t release games for the PC?

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      Includes Bioshock infinite, Xcom, Civ 5 sales.

      • Rags

        Still does not follow. For PC it was ~20% up to the release of GTA V.
        http://ir.take2games.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=86428&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1818758&highlight=

        And those where hardly showstopper games for the PC also Civ V was released in 2010.

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          Yes which I said in the article and which is still a surprisingly low number..

      • Mossel

        A good comparison would be Bioshock Infinite sales on console vs pc. And then only compare the numbers of units sold, not the revenue made.

        • Brian Murphy

          Bioshock Infinite 360 – 1.62m
          Bioshock Infinite PS3 – 1.25m
          Bioshock Infinite PC – 0.43m

          Of course, VGchartz quite often corrects their numbers, and clearly they don’t have access to all sales data. But, it gives a good idea. However, I think the comparison of these franchises to GTA is an abysmal failure, at best. It’s like comparing Killzone sales to CoD.

          • Mossel

            There you have it folks! Interesting to see that 360 has more sales than PS3. Still dissapointed in PC sales though, but atleast it’s not 3%.

          • Brian Murphy

            It’s not really surprising to me, Bioshock lost allot of potential customers from the get-go, by being Microsoft exclusive. The franchise started on Microsoft’s console, so that’s where I’d expect the highest sales to be.

            For example, the very first time I played any of the Bioshock games, was right after this Christmas’ steam sale, when I picked it up for dirt dirt dirt cheap. But, I still haven’t played through the whole thing because…well, it feels like a poor man’s Fallout 3. What I’ve played of it thus far is fun, don’t get me wrong, but it just smacks of Fallout 3 on rails, and I’ve got so many other games to keep my attention at the moment.

            That’s really the crux of it though, whenever a new Bioshock comes out, I couldn’t care less, because as a PS3/PC owner, I wasn’t there in the beginning. Sort of like Uncharted on the PS3, really. For those who’ve played it since day 1, they know why it kicks ass, for those who’ve missed it for years and have just now picked up a PS3/PS4, it may not seem as great as it was hyped to be back in 2007 when the first one launched.

            It happens, but yeah, I can see why the disparity is there.

          • Jacob McPotato

            BioShock Infinite Fallout 3 on Rails?

            Wat.

          • Brian Murphy

            Didn’t say Bioshock Infinite, I said the first time I played any of the Bioshock games was on the steam christmas sale, an honest mistake since Infinite was on sale during that period also. But no, I picked up the first one.

            And Bioshock shares quite a bit with Fallout 3,the music is very similar, the ‘old timey’ feel, regardless of the surroundings. Haven’t played 2 or Infinite so can’t comment on them.

          • Mossel

            Never new it was a timed exclusive. That makes sense then.

            Ok I know I’m totally biased with Bioshock being my favourite game franchise, but dude you need to play it till the end! Seriously, it has an epic ending! All 3 of them. Infinite is my personal favourite, but that is probably only because it was the first one I played.

            I get why you can say Bioshock is like a poor mans Fallout 3, but for me Bioshock is about the story and the creepy setting compared to fallout (only played about 1 hour of it) that had more to do with the big openworld, but I might be wrong there. Infinite is nothing like the first Bioshock, competely different setting. Utopia vs dystopia, that kind of thing. Give it a go! Play it right to the end and come back and tell me you were not impressed. Then, and only then, will I stop bugging you! xD

            OK seriously, are you not at the least interested to find out why Rapture went to shit?! haha sorry I just cant let it go!

          • Cillian Greene

            Vg charts doesnt count digital

          • Brian Murphy

            Yeah I know

      • Cillian Greene

        Civ 5 released 4 years ago. and xmom almost 2. Why would they count the sales of a game that is 4 yrs old?

        • Brian Murphy

          Because it fits the bias of the article. You merely have to look at the lifetime sales for each of these games to realize how stupid this comparison is.

  • B4d R0b0t

    But, this is for a company that is pushing console game sales, why it;s not digital delivery.

  • Hammersteyn

    Piracy remains a big factor true enough. Yes it’s also rampant on consoles but I bet it’s probably 1 console game for every one thousand PC games. I mean look how many suckers downloaded the GTAV virus.

  • Matthew Holliday

    ps4 is the flavour of the year sofar, did they honestly expect the ps4 sales not to boost the existing stats?
    2 months into the year, with no big PC releases sofar, while the ps4 is released along with new and re-releases of games.
    the 3% is really not unexpected, barely even worth worrying about.

    the 18% from last year is a much more accurate representation and even though its a fraction of the console sales, 18% of a multi million dollar revenue is always worth a companies time.

    • Rags

      Exactly. What right minded company will say ‘fuck 20% of our market’?

      • Verrayne

        The company that likes to keep bloat to a minimum and have a more streamlined structure in place. You could use those people to get your console games out faster… A better turn around time will never be a bad thing.

        • Rags

          I can accept that. Good point.

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    I understand console sales are greater than PC sales, it’s been that way for a long time… but why do they combine all the consoles into one category and then compare to PC?

    • Mike Doutchevitch

      Because they are consoles. Are you saying they should also break down PC sales based on chip,motherboard or graphics card make?

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        Yes. You’re right. Xbox 360 & PS3 are identical platforms. It’s perfectly logical to combine them & then compare to a single different platform.

        • Mike Doutchevitch

          Why do you say PC is a single platform though? you also have diferent hardware makers running different opperating systems just as the case with consoles. Mobile is also grouped together.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Fair point, they could break it down further between Win and OSX, not sure if they support Linux. The vast majority of gamers would be using Win though.

            Who cares about mobile? 😉

        • Mike Doutchevitch

          Although, I would like to see the beakdown in consoles. It would be interesting. Also, when I buy PC games, I pretty much always get them when on Steam sale. It would also be interesting to see the actual money breakdown between the platforms.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Me too, it’ll still be more on each than PC, quantity & money-wise, but it gives a fairer picture. There’s so many variables that affect the final percentages that they’re interesting to read, but not something you could work off to make a decision.

            Plus can you imagine if it turns out that, say for Xcom, one of the consoles actually sold less than PC? heh.

  • Anon A Mouse

    If they take out the console exclusives and then did a comparison it might show a different story all together. I know it’s only GTA V, but with 32 million sales it will be a huge hunk of change in those comparisons.

    That being said I’m sure PC will still trail by a big margin.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      Lies, damn lies, and statistics? 😀

      • ToshZA

        Statistics are lies cleverly disguised as fact.

  • Laby

    It’s nice to release figures when PC gamers get broken games, and Most Exciting games are exclusive to consoles so OBVIASLY PC market looks bad.

  • George

    I don’t really agree with your assessment that 2k is now a console house. The only reason. And I have to say again, THE ONLY reason why the percentages are so skewed towards consoles are because of GTAV. I mean. GTAV has now sold 32 milion. That is just a freak of an anomaly. It’s almost the entire NBA2k franchise. Take GTAV out of the equation and the percentages would be vastly different. Put GTAV on a PC and PC sales would also rocket

    • Mike Doutchevitch

      Did you look at the figures for 2012?

      • Brian Murphy

        I did, I didn’t see any release that would appeal to PC Gamer’s that remotely compares to GTA.

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    Also, PC games cost less than console versions, which inflates the earned revenue variance between the two, especially given the quantities involved.

    • Hammersteyn

      Yeah but still. 3%? That’s a very every low number even if PC games costs about half what console games costs.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        True, but take out GTAV & see the effect of that. If the ratio is more or less the same as 2012 then nothing’s really changed.

      • Cillian Greene

        But they are counting GTA V, which isnt even available on PC. How is that a fair comparison?

        • Hammersteyn

          I missed that part :/

    • Mike

      And that’s why they go console only. Not piracy. 10 million pc sales compared to 10 million console sales. Any company would prefer the consoles. It’s all about the $$$.
      The solution is simple, make pc games more expensive.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        They’re trying too. But at the same time, consoles games are more expensive than PC games because they need to offset the costs of the hardware & licensing, which doesn’t apply to PCs. If PC games cost the same as console games, PC gamers would be ripped off.

  • WhiteRock

    Soo…what would those stats look like without GTA V?

    • TiMsTeR1033

      Still console in favour.

      • WhiteRock

        Really? Well, I guess that would make sense, but 97% vs. say 60% makes a great difference in terms of sales(Dollars in the pocket)…

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          In the 2012 financial year the breakdown was as follows
          Console – 80%
          PC – 18%
          Mobile – 2%

          • WhiteRock

            Yeah – I saw that, I’m more interested in the 2013 financial year results without GTA V. Then we could see whether there was a huge change from 2012 and what the “averaged” shift would be in terms of PC sales. That would, in my opinion, make a better benchmark than the one including GTA V. Dunno – might be wrong?

          • WhiteRock

            What I can see, is that the last 3 months, the split was:

            Console – 97%
            PC – 3%
            Mobile – 0%

            Whereas the last 9 months it was:

            Console – 93%
            PC – 7%
            Mobile – 0%

            Huge shift since the release of GTA, but still a huge drop in PC sales…

          • WhiteRock

            Weird – I replied twice and for some reason neither comments came through…sheesh! Anyhow – what I wanted to say, is I saw those stats, but what I was looking for, was something more like the last 9 months of 2013, which includes a bigger chunk of “without GTA V”:
            Console – 93%
            PC – 7%
            Mobile – 0%
            So I wonder what the entire 2013 would look like without GTA V…still dismally low for PC, but much better than just 3%…

          • Dakan45

            you are a clueless idiot, pc gamign is booming, every game is coming out to pc, pc revenue has surpassed 25 billion.

            IDIOT

  • Alex Hicks

    I’m not following … are you suggesting that because there are fewer revenue dollars for T2 coming from the PC gamers that somehow we’re not the “master” race? Last time I checked – it was kinda a requirement for a master to have many servants. So the fact that there are 100 peasants to every lord is simply reinforcing the fact that the PC gamer is, indeed, the master.

    q.e.d

    • TiMsTeR1033

      very clever, that would not be the case in places like south Korea.

      • Brian Murphy

        Exception, not the rule. South Korean citizens also have access to the internet in far, far, far greater numbers than the vast majority of countries out there. Not to mention that gaming pro’s are treated as well or better than Superstar Actors/Athletes etc…

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      lol I like that logic. Well done Eccles!

      • Alex Hicks

        It was nothing.

        Now, how do I spin the fact that these numbers will eventually mean less games developed for PC in totality? Maybe the old quality over quantity thing? *sigh* that thought is the one that makes me sad …

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          I would use textures. PC textures are 3 times the res of console textures, therefore 3 times better.

          Obviously 3 is a totally random number – it’s probably more trollol!

          • Mossel

            3…O_O. Half-Life 3. Confirmed!

          • Alex Hicks

            PC exclusive?

          • Obi Alfred

            Steam OS exclusive.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            lol. Great. Please don’t sue me for leaking the news Valve.

  • General JJ PanGirl

    I know we’re always joking about who’s better, but it’s actually a serious issue for die-hard pc gamers. We take pride in the fact that we don’t pirate yet we’re suffering at the hands of those who do.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      It’s all about the money. I understand the financial logic behind decisions like that perfectly, doesn’t change the fact that it sucks for us. At the same time, it annoys me a great deal when they’re not honest about it & instead blab out spin.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BRbM52gpc

      • General JJ PanGirl

        Agreed

  • Mossel

    You forgot to mention that those are revenue percentages… In other words if a pc game sells for R400 and a console game for R600 and there are only 1 of each sold then the ratio will already be 40% vs 60%…
    EDIT: assuming it costs the same to make each version.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      Inderdaad.

    • Willem Swanepoel

      Last time I checked, some console gamers in 2013 went for 750+ and average PC gamers were going for R300-R350, it is almost 2.5 console revenue per PC rev.

      but yeah.

      Clearly the business knows who to milk for money 😉

      • Mossel

        Im gonna go with the Master Race being more cost effective. So that we can splurge all that excess money on making our games shiney!

        • Matthew Holliday

          so that we can splurge on making a pc that still doesnt run on maximum settings.

          • Mossel

            #stillbeterthanconsole

  • CAE9872

    Yay! For once us console gamers can lord it over the PC…sorry master race! You with you beautiful textures, ultra high resolutions, etc.

    • Willem Swanepoel

      So console gamers can lord it over the PC because they made Take Two more rich and the feel like they would rather milk more money from the console gamers because they accept on average quality? ;-)~

      • CAE9872

        Don’t take it so seriously! I agree though console gamers do get shafted when it comes to game prices…but then we save on initial outlay. At the end of the day, whatever you game on is irrelevant really…I prefer console myself.

        My laptop = work personally…and forums :)

        • ToshZA

          Honestly, I’ve played some games on both console and pc (I do have both) – and pc just has something different about it that I prefer.

          Controller on the couch is cool and all, but pc is my choice.

          • CAE9872

            PC also has some games I would LOVE to play but never will e.g. WoW, Planetside 2 (although is coming), LoL/DoTA2, infinite number of indie games, etc.

            But I like my gaming experience with a slice of convenience which is what I feel I get from consoles. The whole PC upgrade path, maintenance seems a bit over my head personally. Saying that, there are times when I want to throw the consoles with their damn patches, game updates, etc…

            To each their own though…

          • ToshZA

            Well the patches and updates are arguably worse on pc (but the end result is arguably better).

            So if ease of use is your preference, then consoles are the clear winner. No worries about drivers or hardware conflicts or networking issues or other technical stuff. Just open the box, pop the disk, update, play.

          • Brady miaau

            Just because you can does not mean you should upgrade and tinker with a PC. Even once a year.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      I’m going to pretend this is scored like golf, and lower percentages are better. Excluding mobile, because mobile is silly. Therefore PC still wins!

      • CAE9872

        hahahaha…very good!

  • Joe Black

    Maybe… if they release freaking their latest game on PC then it would be different.

    • MaSeKind

      Yeah ofcourse the PC sales will be lower if they stop releasing games for it!

  • Ryanza

    You don’t need internet to play games on consoles. I’m sure the master race lost a lot of gamers since Steam started. And that is why you find more sales on consoles because the whole world is not connected to cheap internet.
    Do you think a gamer living in the location with no internet is buying PC games.

  • Willem Swanepoel

    This is pure business logic and that is why very few will never understand it.

    Their cost to develop a console game is so much lower than a PC game and they sell it for double the price = MORE MONEH … very simple …

    It still does not prove that consoles are better than PC. It just proves that it is easier to make money out of console gamers. Less work, lower quality and they pay twice as much …

    GTA 4 was such a crappy port that no PC gamer wanted to buy a DAMN port. Why would I want to pay R400 for a shit port.
    It actually sold pretty good in SA last year…funny enough. I wonder if they have improved the PC game…anyway.

    Lords do not accept crappy quality games… we leave the scraps for the peasants!

    • Mossel

      It’s like the AppStore making almost double the money compared to Google Play. Even though the appstore have less apps.

  • Altern4t3

    The difference between the PC market and the console market is that PC users are more tech savvy, which makes them more demanding game play wise, it also makes them more discerning purchasing wise and better able to pirate. On the whole, if you did an average IQ test, you would probably find that PC’ers are smarter by a standard deviation. So console games are targeting a different market — comparatively retarded people with money.

    No doubt this is a large market which is more lucrative on both counts, retardation and money.

    Neither should anyone from PC’s be interested in or care for the mental porridge served to consolers.

    Yes it is regrettable that making clever art doesn’t make money, but selling gladiators and survivor does. My suggestion for the jilted pc’ers? get off your …. and do something with your life rather than do the mental equivalent of watching tv….. that thing that mindless drones get their programming from at the end of the day.

    • ToshZA

      And what do you say of mobile gamers? You know the types, the ones who play Candy Crush Saga.

    • SUGI PULA

      “So console games are targeting a different market — comparatively retarded people with money.
      No doubt this is a large market which is more lucrative on both counts, retardation and money.

      Neither should anyone from PC’s be interested in or care for the mental porridge served to consolers.”

      LMFAO…dude, you’ve made my day with this. 100% true.

  • b1nd3r

    steam sales any1? take two is over priced on games whats the point of all this? does any1 actually buy from take two????

    • Brady miaau

      Yes. It seems people like me, who bought Borderlands 2 (great game and I Hate FPS) for Xbox.

      Civ 5, through steam, also is being from “Take 2″. Xcom as well. It seems I have sent a fair amount of dosh to Take 2 over the last few years. Dishonoured too?

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        I think I have pretty much all the games they’ve released on PC, because they make good stuff.

        • Brady miaau

          Surprised really, but yes, they seem to have the midas touch with games.

          Surprised to see much gamey goodness from one stable

  • Scorpy

    It is a self fulfilling prophesy to say that it is pointless porting to PC because PC only makes up 3% of income. The reason it only provides single digit income is because quality games are not being ported over (Red Dead Redemption, I’m looking at you.)
    The end of the publisher era can not come soon enough. Thank God for Kickstarter and Indie Developers because gaming is going right down the toilet thanks to consoles. Cookie cutter games for cookie cutter machines.

    • SUGI PULA

      “Thank God for Kickstarter and Indie Developers because gaming is going
      right down the toilet thanks to consoles. Cookie cutter games for cookie
      cutter machines.”

      Somebody please frame this…best comment I’ve read in months. 100 up votes ++++++++

  • dlads

    In all fairness that’s a load of shit.

    The problem with PC games is that they’re crap ports of otherwise half decent games, if the developers made a good job of doing the PC version instead of being lazy and doing half arsed port jobs, it would be a different story, I would like to see the figures of the call of duty franchise, i’ve bought every single COD since COD 2 and will continue to do so, as long as they keep up with the gameplay, Ghosts has fallen a bit shy this time round as the graphics processing needs are ridiculous, even with two 6870’s i’m unable to play on medium graphics, this is just not acceptable and the same goes for the crap they call the PC version on many different games.

    • Brian Murphy

      Another great point, I’ve sworn off entire franchises because of shit like this. I have so many games that aren’t just shitty console ports that I don’t have to just break down and buy something that doesn’t live up to my standards.

  • Trygg Geoog

    ” Borderlands 2 and XCOM: Enemy Within are debatably better on the console ”

    In what world is that even remotely true? PC versions were objectively superior with double to tripple the frame rate and higher graphical settings, with the option of multiple control types…

    • Brian Murphy

      Wow, I totally missed that the first time through. Can’t comment on Xcom, but yeah that Borderlands statement is borderline insane.

    • Mr Weenie

      I bought Borderlands 2 on console to play it with some friends because they dont have pc like me. It was awful especially on splitscreen. The draw distance was so low and the frame rates constantly dropped. :(

    • Matthew Holliday

      “Borderlands 2 better on console”
      said no one ever.
      Nvidia physX ftw.

  • X

    If the game that is making the vast majority of the sales is only available on console, then of course PC will have a very low percentage. This is a ridiculous statistic, it’s not like people didn’t want to buy the GTA 5 for the PC, all this statistic shows is that they didn’t sell their best product to the PC market. If they had have done, I bet the stats would have been very similar to that of 2012. And the piracy concept is getting really old now, yes of course there is piracy on the PC, but there is on every platform…

  • Pras

    This is so dumb. A company sales based on an unreleased PC version compared with a released console version? Just foolish. Plus PC games sales are higher than consoles nowadays or did you guys forget to research this?
    http://www.destructoid.com/pc-vs-console-gaming-infographic-pc-is-making-a-comeback-212611.phtml

    Finally, PC gamers are different and if you compare Skyrim on console to the PC version (with the whole modding community) – we get a game that is an order of magnitude better than the crappy original game – see Skyrim Nexus.

    Not everyone is the same but I would probably suggest that PCs are for those that like BIG games (think eve online or wow), modding and the best possible graphics (yeah PCs eat consoles for breakfast). Consoles are more for plug and play gamers who don’t want to mess around and just get into the game full on. That’s fine too – each to their own.

  • Slytactix

    Hahaha. It’s funny to see all these discussions of hate on PC Gamers. It’s funny, it’s where the FPS/RPG/MMO Genre and GTA itself originated. I also have not had one friend that has played on PC and gone back to console (only for exclusives or financial issues, of which even then games are a lot cheaper on PC and a good PC is cheap now). I understand the market of consoles and I appreciate it. I only really have three issues with consoles. The way they are spread over such long release cycles to be more financially viable not only for customers but for its producers (ie the PS3/XB360 were loss leaders) which holds back game progression in a lot of ways such as AI, Scale, Graphics, Physics and ability to implement more grand ideas. Secondly is their controls (once you use a KB/Mouse you simply will not go back for First Person/RPG/Open World) and lack of versatility. I can do literally everything on a PC. Although if I didn’t dislike the console controls so much and there was official KB/Mouse support I would of picked up a “next gen” console, even just for the exclusives.

    Two things, first Piracy isn’t (well it definitely shouldn’t) be a primary or even secondary concern. The fact of the matter is (and research proves it), is piracy doesn’t reduce sales as pirates are highly likely to simply not purchase the game if they cannot pirate it. It’s not a fact of lost sales, lost pride perhaps?

    Secondly, the reason why they had such poor sales on PC is the absolute lack of titles they had on PC in current FY. The majority of the 80% of sales would of been GTA V….. which isn’t on PC. Haha. Poor journalism and community comments.

  • Nic_223

    The only reason console gaming is more popular then PC gaming is that gamers can exchange games among their friends.You cannot exchange games among your friends with PC games. One copy on one machine that is it.Has nothing to do with a “master race” you can buy a quality gaming PC for less then $1000 that has specs that blows any console out of the water.

    • SUGI PULA

      And another interesting point which the console fanboys always neglect to mention is this gaming trading you’ve mentioned…that too is a form of “piracy” because devs earn NOTHING from those trades. What a bunch of thieving hypocrites…

      • Nic_223

        Correct I cannot trade and re-sell my PC games but console gamers can,again it is the major reason consoles are so popular it is quite the opposite of what the article writer thinks.PC gaming is much more restricted then console gaming.Microsoft tried bringing in one user one copy restrictions on their xbox one system but had to retreat from it as it would be the death of their console there would be zero reason for gamers to buy a console over a PC.

  • Nic_223

    AS for them bringing out console exclusive games or not bringing out PC versions of their games entirely it is up to them. I know I would buy GTA V when and if it comes out on PC but I won’t buy a PS4 or XBOX one just to play a slightly improved version of GTA IV.

  • Chris

    PCs are now my preferred gaming platform. My only platform. I am not sure what exactly those numbers are pointing to.if this is their sales numbers, I don’t doubt they are better on consoles. their biggest game was only for consoles. If it had been released for PC as well its sales would have been a higher percentage.

    PC gaming is better, period. It is more costly which is the problem. A top end video card alone can cost more then the whole new system. But a good PC even a year ago already is more capable then the new console systems.

  • Bryce Tynan

    The reason for these “state” in the jackaroo take so long to release it on pc that people think it in unfair and therefore pirate it, if the related it at the same time more pc users would purchase it

  • Jason Burn

    The author (Gavin Mannion) is a total idiot and obviously a console fanboy. I guess every wanna be author can write articles on here.

  • jones

    2012 and 2013 are hardly comparable statistic. There is a vast higher amount of sales in 2013 than 2012 due to the huge increase in sales from GTA and next gen consoles which does not repeat every year

  • Dr seuss

    Consoles are always a step behind…

    • SUGI PULA

      Several steps, I’d say…they’re barely on par even with low-end gaming rigs.

  • Dr seuss

    Consoles are always a step behind…

  • moowcow134

    and imagine skyrim without mods, gah!

    • SUGI PULA

      Skyrim without mods bored me to tears…heavily modded, it’s a work of art which constantly expands. Same with GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas and IV.

  • Unstable119

    Theres over 600,000 on the petition. This kinda looks like a PC hate post. Even if you already own it for console, GTAV will definitely worth the wayyy better graphics and ability to mod. People still play GTA IV on PC and if Rockstar is truely for the gamers they wouldn’t miss out on showing what GTAV is truely capable of by putting it on PC. It really makes no sense why PC gaming isn’t more popular when it is definitely the better experience (guaranteed 1080p, voip, and antialiasing). Just sucks so many people steal the games so the market thats there doesn’t really get counted. If GTA can have a new bulletproof way to stop people from pirating the game, it will make a shit ton, still not close to console, but a shit ton.

    • SUGI PULA

      Agreed with 99% of what you’ve said…but more intrusive DRM is not the answer to “piracy.” Besides, one download does not necessarily equate to one lost sale….the main reason why people “pirate” is DRM itself.

  • Jon

    results arent accurate. not all games are released on pc… gta 5 for one… 32million copies right there

  • Brian

    dude, you are so wrong. you are skipping out on so many details and your article is a misinformation piece because of it.

  • Sam Cerulean

    This article is pure trash and fuck the writter for writting it. Consoles are just a cash machine and they don’t benefit game develop to the their full potential. Also these stats clearly aren’t real, yes console sales are usually better but this is just a pure exaggeration.

    • SUGI PULA

      Right on target…and even “current gen” is already outdated.

    • Hammersteyn

      Fuck the “writter” for “writting” it? Nice spelling. The stats aren’t real? Click the link. Take Two posted the figures themselves. But don’t worry. The Pc hasn’t been “writttttttten” off as a gaming platform just yet.

  • SUGI PULA

    Blah, blah, blah…the real reason why GTA V isn’t on PC yet is because Rock$tar always drag their feet around 6 to 8 months after the console release. That’s how you milk the console fanboys…with a beta release on inferior / outdated hardware. Why should things be any different this time? Having played the game on 360, it was an overrated disappointment…I’ll gladly wait as long as possible for a proper PC version which can be modded. Lastly, you can ignore the skewed numbers and phony “statistics”…let’s stick with history:

    GTA III
    PS2: October 2001. PC: May 2002
    GTA: Vice City
    PS2: October 2002. PC: May 2003
    GTA San Andreas
    PS2: October 2004. PC: June 2005
    GTA IV
    PS3/360: April 2008. PC: December 2008

    As for the “but RDR didn’t come to PC” argument, it’s total nonsense which has NOTHING to do with the GTA franchise: A) A dispute over IP wouldn’t allow for a profitable PC release. B) With 2 game engines, the code was a complete mess (preventing a decent PC port). C) It was announced early in that game’s development that it would never come to PC…no such confirmation exists with regard to GTA V. D) Playing the “piracy” card is even more asinine…GTA V for both consoles were already on Pirate Bay nearly one week BEFORE the official release (and they aren’t fake torrents AND they’re still very well seeded). Some much for “piracy” being a determining factor…Rock$tar has already earned enough to give a damn.

    • Dakan45

      exactly and they suck at a porting.

      • SUGI PULA

        On certain games, I totally agree…GTA IV was a complete mess.

        Fortunately, with mods, I “fixed” just about everything Rock$tar screwed up. “My version” of it on PC puts GTA V on my 360 to shame…let’s hope they port V properly. Either way, I can’t wait to mod the living sh!t out of it… -l-

        • Dakan45

          rockstar north sucks at porting, la noire was made by rockstar leeds, max payne 3 was by rockstar vancouver, bully schollarship edition was by rockstar new england, gta iv was by rockstar toronto.

          leeds has posted a ad about pc programmers to bring their latest titles to pc.

          Propadly rdr and gta v related.

          • SUGI PULA

            LA Noire was actually developed by Team Bondi…Rock$tar Games only published it. With Max Payne 3, it actually ran well on my PC even at max settings…better than LA Noire anyway (which I had to mod in order to get higher FPS). But in general, I have to agree…Rock$tar sucks at porting.

            Yeah, I read that story…more likely GTA V related since Rock$tar isn’t allowed to release RDR on PC even if they could get it to run properly (dispute over Intellectual Property and other legal matters). Besides, RDR’s code was a complete mess…too much was broken so it wouldn’t be worth their time.

          • Dakan45

            yes i was talking about the ports not the developers.

            i cant blame leeds for 30 fps lock on la noire, they didnt make the game and it was mostly locked due to face capture on 30 fps. I know RDR code is a mess, but i had no idea they cant release it to pc. Why?

          • SUGI PULA

            I don’t know all the details as to why, but leaked internal memos suggested that Rock$tar was afraid of a lawsuit over some legal dispute concerning Intellectual Property…they claimed a release on PC “would not be viable” (in other words, *profitable* if they got sued). The code being a complete mess was merely a side issue…

          • Dakan45

            i agree about RDR, played it too on a console, it was a 100% wild west game, the way the characters talked, the story, everything, it wasnt a “fun” game like say GUN was or call of juarez, it was too focused on being a wild west simulator with pretty borring missiosn, awful framerate and resolution and aim assit.

            But who had problem with legal disputes? Thats what i dont get.

            If anything rdr would nice on pc with modern mods

          • SUGI PULA

            As I understood, people who previously worked for Rock$tar (and another unnamed studio who made some minor contributions to the game’s early development) threatened to sue. Apparently, the issue was Intellectual Property. Rock$tar and the other parties haven’t said anything specific as far as I know…on the other hand, nobody has denied anything either. Perhaps the matter was resolved by simply not releasing RDR on PC.

            Man, Call of Juarez was a blast…I don’t care for Western themes but that was a great game. Totally agree with everything you’ve said about RDR. Indeed, with the right mods, we could’ve made something decent out of it.

          • Dakan45

            its curious because la noire was on pc and that game was made by team bondai who had devs fired and people had to make a site that would show its TRUE credits including all those people who got fired and actually worked in the game. Yet leeds and rockstar port it to pc.

          • SUGI PULA

            Yup, similar to 2K Games with Mafia 2…apparently, 2K let several of them go without giving any warning or credit. As I understood, Daniel Vavra left due to the internal BS…so it’s nothing new in the gaming world. It seems to be a relentless cutthroat business…

            Yeah, they ported LA Noire and others but that was the intention all along…with RDR, I seem to recall statements very early on that it may never come to PC. Sure enough, it didn’t…well, not officially anyway. 😉

  • MrMidstream

    Hopefully, Steam and Origin will change all this.

  • mohi

    What a bunch of bull… My friend has both the 360 and a PS3 and there’s no game that I know of that he legitimately own. All are pirated version. Shame on you for the oversight.

    • SUGI PULA

      Plenty of “piracy” on consoles too…a fact which is always ignored because devs like to play the piracy card whenever a shoddy port sells poorly on PC for one reason or another. Interesting how sales figures like the ones mentioned in the article rarely (if ever) reflect digital sales (Steam, etc.)…and NEVER mention the lost revenue due to game trading among console gamers. THAT is actual piracy…not file sharing among PC gamers who would probably never make those purchases in the first place. Remove DRM from PC games and watch the earnings explode…this has always been the primary reason for “piracy” on PC. If we can afford a more expensive gaming platform, we can certainly afford their cheap games. Devs need to wake up to this fact…besides, all forms of DRM can be removed / bypassed / hacked. It’s completely useless and kills sales…especially when it comes to PC games.

  • Dakan45

    Where did you get that crap? Pc master race is bigger than ever and it has reached 25 billion revenue, sorry to dissapoting moron but every developer ports their games to pc, gta v isnt on pc because rockstar north doesnt make the pc version, dumb moron.

    in reallity pc revenue is higher than consoles.

    • SUGI PULA

      “Where did you get that crap?”

      It’s typical console fanboy nonsense…seriously, what did you expect?

      “Pc master race is bigger than ever and it has reached 25 billion revenue,”

      While this may be true, let’s not consider ourselves “master race”…this was an idiotic console fanboy invention based on petty jealousy over our vastly superior gaming platform. Let the peasants cry all they want…most of us who game on PC, game on other platforms too. Unlike these elitist hypocrites, most of us PC gamers do not limit ourselves to one platform exclusively.

      “sorry to dissapoting moron but every developer ports their games to pc,”

      But dude, there are console exclusives out there…even more on our end and the peasants know it. At any rate, not only do we have more PC exclusives, but we can play Linux games, console ports from every console generation and console “exclusives” through emulators. Don’t think consoles fanboys aren’t upset / jealous over this.

      “gta v isnt on pc because rockstar north doesnt make the pc version, dumb moron.”

      Rock$tar North may or may not do the actual port themselves but since every game is developed initially on PC, you can be sure that a PC version already exists at some stage of completion. “Oh, but games are optimized on consoles”…which means they are dumbed down in every way so that weak / inferior / antiquated hardware can handle them. Jaggies, 30 FPS (or less), 720, AA, etc.? A complete joke to any serious gamer…you’ll notice, PC exclusives don’t have to be dumbed down.

      “in reallity pc revenue is higher than consoles.”

      Overall, this is true…it’s because PCs aren’t limited in design and scope. You can spend as much or as little as you want, you can upgrade components, use any controller of choice, several monitors simultaneously (or TV) and do a great deal more than just game, stream content or enjoy a few other frills. PC revenue will always be higher than console revenue because there will always be more PCs / laptops out there. Mannion can ignore the facts all he wants…his slanted views won’t change anything. This “master race” which obsesses him so much knows better.

      • Dakan45

        “master race” was created by consoele fanboys, we do not call ourselfs master race. It was made by zero punctuation because witcher had no tutorials and barelly run on his laptop. So he said its optimized for the master race so the console peaseants dont ruin it for them, its a meme.

    • Hammersteyn

      Seriously the comments from people here is astounding. Calling people moron doesn’t prove a thing. Where did you get that crap? I’m pretty sure the figures was provided by Take Two.

      • Dakan45

        where is the sale figure provided by take two? What it was provided on anyway?

        On not having any games on pc? In that case OFCOURSE the will show that 90% o the sales are on consoles DUHHHH

        • Hammersteyn

          Well then don’t ask a silly question. Sure in reality PC revenue might be higher. But not Take Two. Raging and name calling doesn’t prove anything.

          • Dakan45

            perhaps if they released the game on pc before the end of time that would have helped.

          • Hammersteyn

            No doubt, I don’t understand the delay on PC myself. Maybe it’s because console gamers are more expensive so they make more money or maybe it’s because of piracy. I still find it strange that to this the Red Dead Redemption still hasn’t graced the PC. The modding would be up there with Skyrim for it.

          • Dakan45

            Its the fact rockstar north sucks on pc, the pc version is always done later by another studio, i think read dead has to do with the developer never making a pc game than piracy excuses, or why did they hired rockstar leeds to port team bondi’s la nore on pc and rockstar vancouver ported max payne 3.

            Piracy is bullcrap all games come to pc lately even old games, if this game isnt on pc, then it has to do with technical issues with the devs.

  • Eman LLuf

    “I’m cranky, arrogant and ever so amazingly annoying but when you get to
    know me you will also realise I’m honest and incredibly good at
    describing myself… now pass me that beer ”
    No, you’re just unfunny boring piece of shit. And fuck beers, and fuck you and your fucking culture that wont shut the fuck up about beer. Seriously, why is this shit all over the god damn internet? WHy not talk about air and shove that in our throat?

    That’s the real problem, not your personality.

    • SUGI PULA

      You seem angry… =)))

    • Hammersteyn

      Swearing a people is not productive at all. If you disagree then try to be an adult and come up with a counter argument or provide your own research that proves him wrong. Gavin didn’t thumb suck these stats.

  • Cillian Greene

    Maybe the PC sales would be higher if they released games for the PC. and NBA 2k14 on PC is a disgrace, the only good PC game is Borderlands 2

  • CV

    I’m sure if gta v was release for pc at the same time as for xbox and ps3, those numbers would be drastically different for the pc.

    • SUGI PULA

      THIS.

  • William Moore

    No console will ever be good enough to handle MMO games like a pc does tho. And they ARE the future.

  • BeaveVillage

    Take Two wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for PC’s or PC gaming. Announce and release GTA V on the PC for crying out loud, take my money.

  • Ken

    So, basically, gamers these days are morons and would rather spend 2-3 times as much for a game on a console as they would for the same game on PC?
    Ever since Steam started with regular sales, special offers, preorder discounts and package deals, I’ve never bought any console games.

    • Dakan45

      well said.

    • Hammersteyn

      Well GTAV is worth the wait at least. Some people just buy things when they come out immediately. Sure it’s more expensive than PC. But when you preorder you save already at BT Games. Plus they always have a stocked second hand bin which I buy from and trade those games back and in the end I saved hundreds when I picked up my copy.

  • Guest

    possibly the worse analysis yet. 32 million to 0 copies sold 32 million max payne shipped 4 million across all platforms roughly gta shipped so much mroe and to just 2 consoles so ofcourse the PC pie has depreciated as it isn’t being supported. The truth is whilst it is a console exclusive which it will have been for at least 6 months if not longer take 2 need to do nothing. They know the PC will sell they are maximising their profit as it is.

  • twstyyyyy

    yawn

  • simonwhiteuk

    Take Two’s tactic is quite simple. Get people to buy GTA V on console, because that’s the only version announced, then release it on PC, and get a few million people to buy the game all over again, AKA twice!

  • Landon Donavan

    this is such a stupid article, GTA has sold 32 million on console so of course their figures are going to be massively swayed towards console, 3% is still about a million sales which is pretty good considering nothing was released on PC, if GTA was released on PC at the same time as on last gen console, im sure the figures would be maybe about 30% PC, i think a lot of people would get on PC for the superior visuals, so you are taking maybe upto 10 million sales for PC.

    They are simply trying to maximise their sales by only releasing on last gen just before the new consoles came out, then they will release on PC then next gen console sometime after.

    • Dakan45

      RDR+ GTA V+La noire= consoles sales, pretty simple.

  • Maximilian

    They made almost all of their money last year from console exclusive games (GTA V ring a bell?)

  • Tman

    Do we have to mention the obvious factor of piracy being a major issue on the PC and that is possibly why Take-2 are investing more into consoles than the platform of the master race?
    Guess you did not research before you typed?
    GTA 5 was pirated and released for the consoles before the actual release date. And also the HUGE hack for GTA Online from those with modded consoles running around giving out tons of money and then ruining it for those that actually made their money and had it taken away. Because the master console fanbois know how to ruin a game just as easy.

    • Hammersteyn

      Actually it’s about 10 times as easy on the PC. With all the constant firmware updates you would have to search hard to find a pirated version of GTAV running on a PS3

  • John Krisfalusci

    So are they trying to say that it won’t be released for PC? =(

  • kaotik

    Haha I pirated both borderlands 2 and GTA V on xbox360 and enjoyed free online gaming… Pretending piracy doesn’t exist on console is just stupid and its much more rewarding when you do pirate on console…

    I own borderlands 2 on steam and I would buy GTA V if it came to PC as they are much better games with mods and run better on hardware that is not nearly 10 years old…

  • RunnerUP

    Wow, whomever wrote this, doesn’t have a clue. PC sales are dropping because of these companies own idiotic policies.. PC games get released 6 to 12 moths after the console releases, with heavy online DRM and they are usually terrible ports.. Why pay same amount or more for PC games while being treated like a thief (DRM), or rather treated badly in general… Most PC gamers also have consoles,

    The fact is, it is easier to pirate console games, they only hack the console itself and all games will work for it without any sort of crack. In fact console versions of games get pirated/downloaded 63% more than PC versions. (there is a whole research about it, look it up) PC gamers always get blamed because while it is easy to push DRM for PC, it is impossible for consoles. (Up until now anyway, whole research was about PS3 and Xbox 360, perhaps they changed it in next gen)

    If this was true and PC versions barely sold at all, GOG (Good Old Games, who only sells PC games WITHOUT DRM), Kickstarter (Mostly PC games) and other independent developers that only develop PC games WOULDN’T EXIST AT ALL… Where the PC gamers money go? Independent developers.. Why isn’t GTA V on PC, because they are short sighted idiots…

    Thats your answer right there…

  • Vaida Kuodyt?

    Small sales on PC, you say? Oh, what could be the reason behind it? Could it be that THEY DON’T RELEASE GAMES ON PC ANYMORE??!!! Or release them half a year later! Bloody ignorant idiots.

  • Ringo

    Look…I don’t give a damn about all this PC vs consoles crap. I don’t have the funds to shell out hundreds of dollars for a new console that will just be obsolete in five minutes anyway, and I just want to play GTA V. That’s all. Just get it done!

  • Derp

    “To put it bluntly Take Two is now simply a console house with that 3% barely even worth the effort of porting games over.”

    No GTAV on PC means abysmal PC sales means no GTAV on PC. Yay circular logic!

    18% isn’t bad considering some big titles weren’t released on PC at all, others were delayed (thus partially cannibalized by console sales) & that “consoles” doesn’t just mean “360 & PS3″.

    But lets put all that aside, along with how huge GTA modding is & how GTA Online would kill piracy, and you still have 18% of the fastest selling game of all time just waiting to be bought. That kind of money isn’t to be scoffed at.

    • Derp

      To put it into perspective, a PC port of GTAV would sell more than Max Payne 3 did on every platform combined.

      • SUGI PULA

        Right on target.

  • Scott Rougeau

    Can we get a description of how many casual sports games were in those console sales?

  • Dex

    These statistics can’t be true, can they? I mean… consoles are for kids, right? Where do all these kids get so much money to make up 97% of the gamer consumer market? I call bullshit…

    • SUGI PULA

      Of course it’s BS…the writer is obviously shilling for $ony and / or Micro$oft.

  • Wyll Gonron

    you tell a-lot and tell nothing

  • w13

    R* released no major games [like GTA V] on PC in 2013 so it’s not really suprising that the PC share is low when you don’t release anything for it.

    I also can’t believe that the writer has used this BS excuse again “Do we have to mention the obvious factor of piracy being a major issue on the PC” as if console games are not pirated at all, well they are a simple online search could tell you that, so the PC piracy excuse is complete BS.

  • Pennybags

    “To put it bluntly Take Two is now simply a console house with that 3%
    barely even worth the effort of porting games over. Games like NBA2K,
    Borderlands 2 and XCOM: Enemy Within are debatably better on the console
    and with consoles having total domination inside the company you can
    understand why top titles like Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto V
    simply aren’t on the immediate horizon for PC gamers.”

    Or, worded differently:

    “Sales are much higher for consoles in 2013 because the title generating almost all the revenue hasn’t been released for PC, so it doesn’t make sense to release for PC, because sales are much higher for consoles in 2013 because the title generating almost all the revenue hasn’t been released for PC, so it doesn’t make sense to release for PC, because sales are much
    higher for consoles in 2013 because the title generating almost all the
    revenue hasn’t been released for PC, so it doesn’t make sense to release for PC, because sales are much
    higher for consoles in 2013 because the title generating almost all the
    revenue hasn’t been released for PC..”

    Come on, dude.

  • 123

    this is bullshit, 2014 statistics : piracy on xbox 360 : 60% / piracy on pc : 0% (gta v)

  • A Person

    It’s amazing how little this actually matters; they just need to learn which games are good for PC gamers ‘before’ porting them. That and this retarded example that will no doubt be used when it comes out: The PC version of GTA V will sell less. Why? Because it came out almost a fucking year later (or more at this rate).

    Fact of the matter is.. If you release something later one on platform it ‘will’ do worse. Period. Don’t get me wrong, I fully expect PC sales to be below console sales right now. Now let’s try it this way: PC sales vs ‘Individual’ console sales. It’s amazing how much things change when you aren’t comparing 3+ systems against 1 in sales. PC would still be lower right now, but regardless.. That number ‘is’ growing, despite what those numbers might say. It’s all about what’s released when.

    • FuzzyKittyBark

      wii, wii u, xbox 360, xbox one, ps3, ps4, split evenly is like 13ish% i think.
      obviously it’s not even but it would put pc somewhere around the rest of them

  • Daven Shane

    PC means Pirate Computer obviously! Thanks Take Two for reminding me I’m just a piece of shit and not a loyal customer.

    • Banger Nick

      You say that Pirating will be a problem for R*? They just made 2 billion dollars from GTA 5 alone, that’s more than enough for their company to survive 8-15 years or maybe even longer if they don’t spend it on hookers and drugs. BAM You just learned something and since GTA 5 has such a GOOD player base on their multiplayer, What’s the point in pirating a game with no multiplayer access? BORING.

      • Daven Shane

        I was being sarcastic, you obviously missed that.

  • Noah Bangs

    Boy does everybody hate PC’s. Little do they know that PC’s are the only platforms with game mods. Mods truly make the best experience.

    3%? More like infinite% in my opinion.

  • Yeah You Heard Right !

    Where Exactly did you get Those Statics ?

  • Yeah You Heard Right !

    Where Exactly did you get Those Statics ?

    • Vicar In Ubuntu

      Probably NPD, which you know doesn’t count digital sales. But that’s ok because dammit we need them clickbaits!

  • GjallarhornWillSound

    It’s gotten to the point where I really don’t care anymore. They can go ahead and release it for PC, but I won’t be buying it. Why? Because of their attitude toward their customers about it, being ‘meh’ and giving vague answers to inquiries and acting like they don’t care either way if they put it out for PC (if it’s some kind of marketing strategy, it’s a pretty shitty one). I’d much rather give my money to game studios that actually care about their customers and love giving updates to what they’re working on even if it’s just little teases here and there, not this “There’s nothing for us to say” bullshit.. And the whole piracy argument is retarded, seeing as it’s just as easy to pirate console games as it is PC games, GTA 5 was being torrented either right before, or very shortly after it’s release…

  • Learn it Now

    A lot of people say, “OH NO NOT FOR PC, THEY’RE JUST GONNA PIRATE IT!! FUCK YOU PC USERS” My thought is.. Think about this.. GTA V made almost 2 billion dollars for Rock Star, and Rock star has about 10 Studios? Since R* Made 2 billion dollars, that’s more than enough for their company to for on for another 8-15 years. So why the fuck would PIRATING a GAME like GTA V make them lose money? AND the fact that they had a STEADY and GOOD multiplay why the fuck would anyone wanna pirate it? To be honest, WHEN GTA V released i was hyped about it for a PC release but after about what? 2-3 months? I don’t really care anymore, I’m just waiting for Watch Dogs and other games like Division to come out. R* probably lost a good amount of PC players, I can say if GTA 5 comes out for PC in the oncoming months, i won’t be much interested due to the fact that the hype of the game has been over for half a year already. It’s more of waiting for other games that actually care about their customers and supporters like Star Citizen. GOOD LUCK HAVE FUN

  • FreezeGame

    GTA who? Rockstar Games is a piece of shit, backstabbing company. There isn’t anything they can do to regain my support. Washed my hands for good last year.

    • Zeroed Out

      How exactly does a video game company go about stabbing a person in the back?

  • flagstaff

    “But fast forward to today and the breakdown for 2013 sales is vastly different”

    Could it just be that there are relatively few PC sales for 2013 because the major games have not been released yet on PC?

  • Vini

    Ok, 80% coming from BOTH console platforms. Ps3 and Xbox 360.
    You’re forgeting that PC is just one platform, and are comparing the data with two, but ok.
    Let’s do the math: 18% of 32 million Copies. That is 5,76 milion copies. Don’t you think it would pretty much pays itself to PORT a game like GTA V? Repeating: We’re talking about A GAME THAT IS READY SINCE LAST YEAR. I understand the strategy of releasing it later. But is taking too long, that’s stupidly unecessary. I’m goin to go for piratebay for this game FOR SURE, conscience clean.

  • Vini

    Ok, 80% coming from BOTH console platforms. Ps3 and Xbox 360.
    You’re forgeting that PC is just one platform, and are comparing the data with two, but ok.
    Let’s do the math: 18% of 32 million Copies. That is 5,76 milion copies. Don’t you think it would pretty much pays itself to PORT a game like GTA V? Repeating: We’re talking about A GAME THAT IS READY SINCE LAST YEAR. I understand the strategy of releasing it later. But is taking too long, that’s stupidly unecessary. I’m goin to go for piratebay for this game FOR SURE, conscience clean.

    • Chris_Benoits_Ghost

      you’re an idiot.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        You tell him buddy! Boom headshot… oh shit, sorry :(

    • FreezeGame

      My excitement and anticipation of the game possibly coming to PC has died. So, if GTA V does ever drop for it, piratebay for sure. Fuck RockStar!

      OAN: Watchdogs is shaping up nicely. Already pre-ordered the deluxe version through Steam. Can’t wait. Better story, gameplay, and graphics.

  • Vini

    Of course today PC margin is just 3%. GTA V, THE SALES WORLD RECORD is not on pc yet.
    You see, this is what companies do: “Not releasing on pc because of piracy”.
    Then more than a year later, they release it, full of bugs (GTA IV).
    Don’t they think of how much this pisses the PC market? Don’t they think that they’re asking for piracy? That they’re actually stimulating it?

    • Zeroed Out

      And don’t you realize that the attitude of “they’re asking for piracy” may be a part of the problem? Who the heck wants to take the time to develop a product for a community that threatens them with theft of their product?

  • Dave4321

    They also want people to buy the game twice. Some people will buy it for consoles because they want to play it right away and then play it again on PC for the incredible graphics and mods.

  • lex347b

    Does the 2013 report show sales figures for gta5 (consoles) and a game that didn’t come out for pc, if so that will make a big difference in the %age.

  • Vanilla_Ice

    The reason it isn’t out on PC is because it is so easy to crack and install these games nowadays. It is a lot harder to mod your XBOX or PS4, so what they do is release it to console first most people will be forced to buy it instead of torrenting it. Being able to plug an XBOX controller into your PC and then running your PC to your TV is the main reason they don’t release games on PC till later.

  • Xbob42

    My favorite part of this article is how it explains exactly what happened and yet the author and/or 2K presumably completely miss the point. “GTA V was by far our biggest selling game, selling 800 bajillion copies! It made most of our profit” “But for some reason, our relative profits on PC were down, where GTA V was not released! I wonder if these two things are related…”

  • William Fenton

    I’m calling bullshit on this. There’s just no way it’s 97% consoles. I bet you it isn’t taking Steam sales into account.

    • Zeroed Out

      So you don’t think Take Two tracks its own sales very well?

  • ThatOne

    This article is 97% BS.

    If wee look at Diablo III (initially a PC exclusive game) it sold 3.5 million copies in the first 24h and over 12 millions copies were sold in 2012. Take-Two/Rockstar know very well the PC community is still strong. I think the reason they are trying to drive the PC community away is because making quality PC games is much harder than developing console games where all the specs are clear cut and stable (or at least barely changes).

    It’s funny when Take-Two/Rockstar say they are going where the people are and at the same time they are driving the PC community away. When GTA IV was released for PC they were “slightly” disappointed by the number of PC copies sold. Are you kidding me?!? They wait 6+ months
    after the console release and Rockstar know a great deal of PC gamers also have consoles. They expect every PC/console gamers to buy their titles twice?… and 6+ months after? And then you have idiots blaming low PC titles sales on piracy.

    • Zeroed Out

      How is stating sales numbers BS? They’re not making a judgement call … they’re simply stating facts. Not sure how you can fault them for that.

    • Zeroed Out

      The bottom line is that companies are in the business of making money. If the numbers supported making a PC version of GTA V or any other game, they would jump on it because it’s just more money they get to make. But if you’re right about it being much harder to make a quality PC game, and I believe you are, then can you really blame them for not wanting to produce a game on the PC? It’s not their fault it’s harder.

      I’m not sure why GTA IV was delayed by six months, but I have a buddy who’s connected to Rockstar and they barely got V finished in time for their console release date of last September. As you play the game, you realize that it’s really only at about 70% of what they were going for (a lot of really cool ideas were only touched on and/or seem to be half completed). They had to cut out a lot of stuff just to make that date, which was actually six months later than they had originally planned. So they really had no time to also work on a PC version, even if they had wanted to.

  • Tomzis
  • Asoga

    PCs ARE THE MAKERS OF CONSOLE GAMES BITCHES! RESPECT!

    • Zeroed Out

      Um … how is that exactly?

      • FreezeGame

        Well, for one, every console game is developed on a high end PC first. It is then scaled down considerably to run on inferior consoles (PS4/Xbox One included).

        • Zeroed Out

          Ah, okay, I see. Well, that makes sense … but then again, home PCs would also be inferior to the systems being used. However, it really becomes a moot point because it all comes down to sales.

          One important fact to consider is that if those inferior consoles didn’t exist, very few games would probably come out on PC because without the 160 million PS3 and XBOX systems out there (and other consoles), many developers wouldn’t be able to justify spending so much money on making a game. The only reason why releasing a game like GTA V on the PC would be feasible is because of console sales. Yes, you’d get a game here and there that would make sense to create, but it would be much riskier and most companies would probably be unable to survive on PC game sales alone. There’s no way to prove this, of course. But it seems to make sense.

          So, when it comes to the physical creation of console games, I must say “thank you” to PC gamers … but when it comes to the initial business sense of creating that game in the first place, I get to say “You are welcome” to those same PC gamers.

          • FreezeGame

            I see your point.

            One thing I can say about us PC gamers, is that some are too picky. Think about this. There are so many ways that PC devs could create and invoke copy protection tools; such tools that embody the very highest level of DRM, unable to be decrypted by any hacker’s attempts. However, when something like that happens, especially if it has to reside on the system itself, some of my gaming brethren start to cry “backdoor”, “worm”, “trojan”, etc. Others go as far as to say, “It freezes my system.” (e.g. StarForce). So, instead, devs stick with protection measures that are trivial and very easily overcome by most hacking groups.

            I long for PC game developers to adopt something new and just say take it or leave it. If they would all just stick together and to their guns, PC gamers would have no choice but to conform. Buying games would become the norm, and sales would be phenomenal. Also. the level of gaming technology/enhancements would go through the roof as companies would develop high quality PC titles without fearing a bad ROI.

          • Zeroed Out

            Very interesting. I don’t know enough about the PC gaming world to comment much, but that does seem to make sense. In a perfect world, every game would come out for every system. Regardless of how a gamer prefers to play a game, they should be able to do so. What irritates me is so many PC gamers are quick to remind console gamers that their systems are superior. We already know this and obviously we either a) don’t care, b) prefer to just fire up a console, play, and shut it down, c) enjoy playing games that can only be found on consoles, or d) a mix of all those. Personally, I grew up on console games, but one reason that I’ve always avoided PC gaming is that I’m a writer and if I had a bunch of awesome games on my system, I’d never get anything done. Then the world wouldn’t be enjoying my zombie book (Patient Zero, with the black and white cover 😉 ). I’d seriously write a few sentences and then switch over Diablo III or something for an hour and a half. lol

          • Mark Treloar

            GTA V sales are an exception not a rule. Using those sales to make an argument that they would sell better on consoles that PC’s does not make ant sense. A good example would be to look at the sales of Diablo 3 for example. In its first week on PC it had sold 6 million copies, this was however not repeated when the supposedly superior console version was released.

          • Zeroed Out

            Possibly. But some games like Diablo seem — in my experience — to mostly be known by PC gamers, so I’d think lower sales figures on consoles would make sense. I remember many years ago when King’s Quest was all the rage for people who played on PC, but most people who grew up playing the NES seem to have no idea what that game even is.

            I don’t have the time nor the inclination to search a bunch of sales figures on console games vs PC games to come to a clear conclusion, but since Rockstar is able to dedicate such research on an ongoing basis, surely their conclusions would at least be able to determine whether or not releasing a certain game would be worth the effort of porting it over. But you may be right as well. Who knows.

            There may be other factors involved with GTA V, as well. Given the fact that Rockstar is trying to sell in-game cash with this game, they may be reluctant to port over GTA V because it will surely be modded up the wazoo, effectively cutting out the ability to sell in-game cash to PC gamers while still being expected to release the same DLC that console gamers are receiving. They’d either be providing free content with no chance of making money off the in-game cash or they’d need to stop modding completely, which would do nothing but upset PC gamers.

          • Mark Treloar

            The console preference is in my opinion incentive related. Sony or Microsoft helps to fund part of the development and therefore Rockstar prioritizes consoles. The same cant happen for the PC, since PC’s are standalone units not created by corporations.

  • http://psmagazin.blogspot.sk/ pepikJS

    Daz rite guyz, finally some sane article with a cup of meaningful talk.

    • Kromas

      Someone not have a hug recently?

      PC gamers have less of an issue with Console gamers than you think but over the years the hatred just kept building up cause you keep poking the bear. Then again we get Star Citizen so enjoy your crappy console games.

      😛

      • https://twitter.com/SaveTheQueenIX Umar Returns

        GTA articles bring all the dicks to the yard. So don’t mind them lol

      • http://psmagazin.blogspot.sk/ pepikJS

        I will, I will have more fun than any PC gamer out there! Star Citizen will be buggy, it will need 10 patches, it will be laggy and I’m better and I will tell mom.

        • FreezeGame

          No more buggy/glitchy than GTA V is on consoles.

          And if a PC title is too powerful for the system it’s running on, at least a hardware upgrade is an option. Frame-rate drops, lag, freezing, overheating, etc on consoles are things you just have to deal with.

    • FreezeGame

      When you directly compare PC vs Consoles, it’s no question which gaming experience is better. PC’s dominate in every aspect which, in turn, still makes us the Master Race. GTA V not releasing on the PC thus far doesn’t change that. With so many amazing games readily available or upcoming, most PC gamers have long since moved on to bigger and better titles. RockStar isn’t the be-all and end-all of gaming. If fact, they’re not even close. Valve, Ubisoft, and 2K shits on RockStar, just to name a few. There are many others.

      • think-man

        Because graphics mean soooo much….Sigh, I still crank ps1 games and consider them far better than the shit we get these days. True gamers don’t give a F**k about graphics. If I wanna look at pretty pictures I’ll watch a movie.

        • FreezeGame

          While gameplay (the true selling point for any title) is far more important than visuals, with today’s technology, there’s no excuse to not have great graphics to complement it.

          And all gamers give a f**k about graphics, especially “true gamers”. Only a blatant liar would say otherwise. Devs who know how to incorporate both are the ones who deserve best in show.

          As far as the PS1 games are concerned, I’m fully aware that there are many which have much better stories and superior gameplay than a lot of the watered down stuff being developed today. But that’s the thing. Lots of games that are so much fun from back then are also giving you the best they have to offer graphically. If they were amazing with ’90’s tech, imagine keeping the same great gameplay intact, but giving them a graphics overhaul with today’s engines. They would be much more immersive. And again, gameplay would not be modified at all.

          I can’t fathom how GTA V would be equally as fun with GTA 2’s graphics from the PS1. Sure, gameplay would still be good, but it would also be an eyesore for no apparent reason.

  • think-man

    I had alot of fun playing this on ps3. PC gamers can moan all day, owning multiple systems is key. If you are only gaming on one platform you’re a fool.

    • Mark Treloar

      So you have a PC then?

      • jack

        90% console fanboy will buy original copy games from 100% piracy console gamers
        VS
        5-6% pc gamers will buy original one from 100% piracy pc games
        that´s a big issue

        • Mark Treloar

          Lol you scare me with your lack of intellect if you really think piracy on the console is as low as 10%

  • jack

    90% console fanboy will buy original copy games from 100% piracy console gamers

    VS

    5-6% pc gamers will buy original one from 100% piracy pc games

    that´s a big issue

    why Rock star did not make GTA V pc version

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    also compare to GTA IV on VGCHARTZ

    PC unit sales were fucking low,shit platform

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    by the way

    console digital incl.xbox live & psn

  • puff

    GTA V is on consoles?

    Oh… you mean last gen.

  • noxsa

    that’s not the “why” it is not on PC yet, they want to keep it on consoles and they started that trend the moment they excluded the PC for the releases of there game, they release ob consoles first so everyone interested in that game bought it on console or even bought a consoles for that game! so why buy a game twice eh! THAT’S why the sales % of pc copies are low they made that happen there self’s! Pricks, and piracy you clearly have not looked at the torrent sites did you, its FULL of consoles cracked versions, user even HACK the consoles to make sure there downloaded copy (pireted) works on it! lame ass know it all consoles freaks. if you want to state the facts do it right.

  • Constantpush

    Console gaming is for those that cannot possibly understand and fathom the pure power of an OP gaming rig. “Makin’ consoles look bad since well…always!” GG

  • Octavium

    Also keep in mind when you pirate a game, you usually cant play online, and what Rockstar did with GTA V was entirely focus on Online. SO.. it’s either they are worried about what will happen with pirated games getting online or they are trying to make it so you have to BUY the game to get the full gaming experience, which is what PC gamers usually do to be able to enjoy some nice multiplayer. :)

  • pc gamer 17

    grand theft auto v is the most amazing game i ever played but idea being not in pc is big mistake im sure rockstar will release gta soon

  • marco

    I’ve waited too long, 2 or 3 months ago I was hyped and was waiting to GTA V to release on PC. But now I’m exhausted from all this B-S. I’m not going to wait anymore. I’m playing Watch Dogs right now on PC,and I’m enjoying it, and I will not buy GTA V even if it is released on PC, not with that, not after all that.

  • FreezeGame

    Well, it’s officially coming to PC…

    Info: http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52261/
    Pre-order: http://www.rockstargames.com/order

  • Serpentarius

    And to ALL of the idiotic console peasants who claimed “it’s never coming to PC,” may the butthurt flow through you. Not only has PC surpassed peasant boxes:
    http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/pc-games-have-surpassed-console-games-globally/033849
    …but we’re also getting the superior version of this game.

    Mannion, you are an idiot…don’t quit your day job. Peasant.

  • tgv

    The truth of the matter is that game developers are going to aim for the market that has the most to gain and right now its the console market, shame as it may be that these games companies (most of them anyway) made all there money by selling PC games when consoles where way to shoddy to play decent games, but you cant blame them for this its a business at the end of the day and there all out to make the most they can. more games sell on consoles becouse more people have them (or at least ones that are capable of playing the latest games) im about to make a statment that will probably anoy alot of peole but its my honnest opinion of the matter so here goes. more people have consoles becouse they are frightend of pc’s they think they will break them and wouldent have a clue when it came to trouble shooting a problem, you hear them say (i dont wont the hassle it just works on a console without the messing about) yes that’s true to a extent but what there really saying is i will stick with the inferior technology because I’m to stupid to sort out any trouble that may accrue.
    i have a high end gaming rig (like realy high end) and can honestly say that it does piss all over a xb1 or a ps4 iv seen it with my own eyes im not one that looks at comparison videos on you tube for my evidence my eyes don’t lie to me. i own 4 xb360 consoles which i use in the living room and the bedrooms as media servers as this seems the cheapest and best way to do it, i use a 360 controller for the PC (on some games) on my 52″ Samsung TV in the living room and can say that it wipes the floor with a friends xb1 and ps4. All we can do as PC lovers is hope for the best and mabe the next gen of dx or mantle will make it easyer for the games developers to release PC titles at the same time as there console releases and hope it will make them a profit and make it worth there while.

  • M

    Wait, did that article say a FPS, Borderlands, plays better on a console that a pc? oO

  • Mrki Mash

    Most of the games are sold on consoles, because Piracy is the biggest thing on PC.

  • Mrki Mash

    But PC is better

  • Twice_Infinity

    PC at 3% Somebody needs to stop making crap up.

  • John Skyle

    This is just in 2012-13. It’s 2015 and it has become drastically different with the beneficial edge leaning to PC.