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DOTA 2 Result–South Africa vs Romania (and more drama)

So last night our mighty South African DOTA 2 team went up against the Romanians and the expected happened… they were thrashed.

Okay to be honest I can’t actually find any real feedback on the game yet and I wasn’t able to watch it last night but the end result was 2-0 to Romania. However by the gist of the tweets and facebook comments that I’ve seen there was definitely room to improve locally.

So is it simply that our guys aren’t good enough to compete against Romania? Well, no I don’t think so.

The problem lies in how these things are organised locally. As we all know the MSSA organises the local South African teams and to their credit they actually held DOTA 2 trials ahead of this match. But man did they get it wrong again.

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Firstly the trials were to be held in Gauteng and Cape Town only. You had to actually be present at the trials to try out for this online game. The logic being that you needed to be monitored by a referee from the MSSA.

So great; you and your friend team up in JHB with two other guys in Cape Town, that opens the pool a bit. But no unfortunately not as the MSSA decreed that everyone in a team had to live within 50Km of each other because… well no one really has any idea why apart from the MSSA who appear to suck rules out of their asses at times.

But anyway at least the best players from JHB or Cape Town were chosen right? Well no since according to a post by celebrity shoutcaster, Congo Kyle, the Cape Town trials haven’t taken place yet.

I could go on.. oh wait I will. Not only was the South African team only chosen from those who could attend the JHB trials in person – on short notice – but they were only allowed to attend if they had already paid a registration fee to an affiliated club of the MSSA.

Now I’ve never been in an official competitive eSports team but I have played many outdoor sports for many official teams including provincial colours and you know how it normally works? You rock up at the trials and if you are good enough you are invited to join the club. If you don’t want to or can’t pay the fees that is fine then you can’t join. Seems fair to me but the MSSA prefers to do it backwards.

They will respond that this is different as they don’t run the clubs and I could never be invited to transvaal trials (yes I’m old) if I wasn’t already a member of the Randburg Football club and they would be correct. But the eSports scene isn’t as big as the football scene locally and the archaic rules need to change.

We are being embarrassed locally simply because the MSSA refuses to change and that is disappointing. We are investigating ways to work within their rules but man there are so many of them and they really aren’t easy to navigate.

To be clear I’m not trying to put down anyone who tried last night, maybe you were the top 4 in the country but wouldn’t you want to be sure? How about we have open trials for DOTA where everyone can enter a team no matter who they are and then the winning team can look for sponsorship to cover their club and affiliation.

I know MWEB would do that as they are being exceptionally supportive of the local gaming initiative and I myself would happily cover a team’s costs to ensure we put our best team forward.

Oh and finally, for the love of all things holy please can someone donate a proper camera to Colin so that we can stop having these rubbish Blackberry pictures being used as official photos?

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And maybe explain who these good looking people are? Different tops, don’t seem to be related to gaming at all?

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And then the cherry on the top of the embarrassment cake

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It’s Afrique de Sud… I hope above all else that this image was made by the Romanians who can be forgiven. [Edit: Yep, made by a Romanian chap, and checks out just fine]

Apparently DOTA 2 is one of the most popular games locally and we have a bigger population (2 1/2 times) than Romania so we really should be at least equal to them.

You can watch it all here, if you’re so inclined (forward to about an hour in before any action happens). 


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Author:Gavin Mannion

I'm cranky, arrogant and ever so amazingly annoying but when you get to know me you will also realise I'm honest and incredibly good at describing myself... now pass me that beer

  • Hammersteyn

    We do have a bigger population than Romania, but we aren’t all allowed to play DOTA are we?

    • Admiral Chief Minion 47

      No, real men play Planetside

      • Hammersteyn

        The actually play Planetside 2 but you will get there one day :P

        • Trevor Davies

          Skerp!

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          Sorry gents, Starcraft 2 owns all. The end.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            If they made a new warcraft say warcraft 4 that would beat all! but starcraft 2 I agree owns big time :)

        • Admiral Chief Minion 47

          I was actually punting the game white snubbing Dota, but well done on spoiling that for us

          • Hammersteyn

            Hahaha y u no like being trolled?

          • Admiral Chief Minion 47

            In another article perhaps, this is serious business

          • Hammersteyn

            Cool

          • Admiral Chief Minion 47

            I mean really, headshot from 500m is so much more impressive

  • Trevor Davies

    I sense a coming storm…

    • I am John’s smirking revenge

      Probably just going to be a fifteen minute drizzle

      • Admiral Chief Minion 47

        XD

      • William Francis

        Here, have my like

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      I hope not, I’d much rather see some constructive feedback over something we really care about

      • Trevor Davies

        Me too, it’s just after the last 2 Dota & MSSA articles I plan for the worst ;)

        • Airborne

          Lets hope you guys get feedback, constructive or otherwise.

  • TiMsTeR1033

    That one chick in photo scared the shit outta me! I sense another caster semenya in the loom of sports! ” its obviously hes a woman!”

  • Hammersteyn

    WTAF. I went to http://www.mindsportsa.co.za/ None of the links work except The facebook one and all they have on the home page is a silly logo. If this is the face of E-SPERTS in South Africa we might have a problem bigger than Athletics South Africa

    • AlwynvZyl

      Got to agree. That is a notepad website.

  • MMMMM

    Hi Gavin, that poster was made by a Romanian and in Romanian the “Africa de Sud” is correct.

    • TiMsTeR1033

      thank you for sharing that with us all

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      awesome thanks for letting me know

    • Lord Chaos

      Since when is Romania a French Colony?

      • Bongo Muffin

        Romanian is a romance language meaning it’s derived from Latin in some form. So it shares similarities with French,Italian,Portuguese and Spanish. Superficially they make look the same but they aren’t…Knowledge Bomb dropped on yo ass

        • Lord Chaos

          And here I had some respect for Romania.

  • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

    Well at least something is happening. I think with time all this will slowly get sorted out. With time… But it could be quite some time.

    The best was the Afrikaans Shout caster. That was the best :)

  • Matthew Holliday

    MSSA dont know how to mindsports.
    I thought I mentioned that last time Yolanda told us to support them?

    • Hammersteyn

      Try their website, it’s broken beyond and looks like it was slapped together during lunch time.

      • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

        Like the Free State Website :)

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      I agree we need to support them, but I’d like to see some understanding coming back from them and a bit of realisation that things need to change.

      The idea of the MSSA isn’t a bad one

      • Matthew Holliday

        I would love to support them, if they gave us something to support.
        or if they supported the past MSSA affiliated gaming teams.

        Theyve had ample opportunities to prove themselves to the SA gaming community, but time and time again, they have dropped the ball.

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        The idea is great, but the practice is bad. Surely if you want to grow the sport in the counrty, you will make it easy to join? Marketing 101: Never overcharge on a new product. If you want E-Sports to get bigger, make the trials free and encourage everyone to take part. Once the members are big enough, and the organzation requires a supplimented income, THEN start charging fees.

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          yup that’s exactly what I’m saying as well.. getting some cash for the top players is easy.. stop asking everyone to pay

    • Slade Boender

      Agreed, said pretty much the same thing

  • Sageville

    Frankly, since I read the article about DOTA2 the community, I feel that DOTA2 has a maximum douchebag density, hence resulting in the copious amounts of fucks that I give pertaining to the subject. Regarding the MSSA issues, well they are clearly fronting as a professional organization when in fact it’s clearly not.

    I agree with Gavins synopsis of the situation, the competitions giving us the “National Team” was a farce.

  • Vampyre Squirrel

    I saw the tweets from Yolanda and it didn’t sound good from a South African perspective.

    Then again, the MSSA need to plan better, get more places included in trials and cut the 50km crap… it’s a freaking ONLINE game you retards!!!

    Makes me wonder if there are actually any gamers in the MSSA….

    • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

      I can understand and except many things. We are new to this. Many people not sure how to do certain things. But can not understand the 50km thing. That is just retarted.

  • TiMsTeR1033

    Im honestly a bit sick of hearing about Dota 2 seriosly people play something else aswell.

    • Slade Boender

      Can someone cast silence on this guy? His spam spells are getting in the way of me taking that tier 2

      • TiMsTeR1033

        why man! I am allowed to voice my thoughts. I honestly dont see the big fuss over Dota 2 man. Its a good game I just prefer other games. Its like flipping counterstrike a few years back. Dota 2 this dota 2 that. Each to there own man. I got nothing against the game just prefer not to play it.

        • Trevor Davies

          Let’s get back to discussing which console is second best (after PCs) trollol

          • TiMsTeR1033

            would be better than Dota 2… unless you are also playing D2…. then I guess ill get shot down oh i mean silence casted apon me again.

        • Slade Boender

          No no I know, I was using comedy andreferences to the game to prove a point…. That you can have your wrong opinion :P

          • TiMsTeR1033

            I mean, seriously man I played dota 1 back in the day, flippin warcraft 3 mod. I Look its cool and all but personally Id rather play Diablo 3, starcraft 2 ect than dota 2. But I do know you guys who play it and have alot of skill. Sure I wont lie never played Dota 2 so I might actually enjoy the game, but so far havent been impressed to jump in yet.

          • Slade Boender

            Nah I feel you man, Im not really the competitive gamer as is, but everythings got a time and place mos. But I feel ya bro I feel ya.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            Maybe one day someone could show me the ropes of Dota 2 and perhaps then I could be on the same page as the fans of it.

          • Slade Boender

            Deal man, its always fun to lan that shit out. Im not concerned about the win, more teamplay. Hit me up if you ever bored @kikmi

      • Admiral Chief Minion 47

        XD

  • Slade Boender

    Alright, heres my two cents because I dont agree entirely with this article…

    I watched the game, I can really say that the South Africans didnt do badly at all, but lets also look at brass tax, the Romanians were the old Kaipi team. Lets not fuckaround. These okes were in for the previous Internationals. Yes the actual dota internationals. They are an old clan, with bucket loads more tournament play and experience.

    Dont you think its grabbing at straws? Im not saying their win was inevitable but come on, out of the best of the world they actually got pretty far in the last couple of games, and for SA to actually contend with them should actually make us proud (the team too, they really did do well)

    The South Africans could have played better, not to say they did bad, there was moments when I was screaming at the TV in pure unadulterated excitement, there was some really good dota being played throughout both mathces. That being said, you dont shove Tyson and Tiger into a MMA cage or a chess match, one will always murder the other.

    My personal thoughts are that we were not out numbered but man oh man were we outgunned. The hero picks could have been more thought out and some form of strategy for dealing with farming HC’s could have gone a long way. I mean for fuck sake, who leaves an Alci to farm up? Why go one man all over the map when you know you should be getting supported for your Radiance. I mean it really was sloppy. They got their hiding that they deserved but now they know how to prioritise their objectives.

    Either way, I dont think all the blame lies with the SA’s team or the MSSA, it wasnt a terrible match, we unfortunately were just out classed by world pro’s. Its difficult to be upset about that.

    Besides, from what I can see, everyone had a really fun game and it looked like both teams gave it all they could and it lead to a very exciting and edge of your seat laugh out loud comp.

    • Admiral Chief Minion 47

      Nice points there dude.

      2 cents indeed

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Any Kotl’s in play?

      • Slade Boender

        1st match yeah

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          From my short experiences with DOTA 2, I can say that if you cant support your carry early on, you are stuffed. And Kotl is the king of support. Hoping the guy wasnt lane pushing instead of helping the carry.

          • Slade Boender

            The first game wasnt a carry issue, only the second. Kotl did ok 1st game, but the thing is you could see we were still green in the issue. I believe we lost due to the meta game. Technique and gameplay was spot on but strategy… man that was lacking a LOT.

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            Fail. I do agree with you though, experience as a team always wins. The more you play together, the better you get. Just like any other sport.

          • Matthew Holliday

            I dunno, i agreed with the POTM pickup in game 2.
            we had good ping, while the romanians had 300.
            a potm pickup as the carry means they were aiming for an early game finish, to abuse the difference in ping with POTM arrows.

          • Matthew Holliday

            the idea behind KOTLs blast is to pressure the opponent and create space for the carry.
            having the other support to pull effectively, the lane should never push.
            Scant plays a decent KOTL, Odu’s rubick on the other hand was questionable.

            Kotl wouldnt have been my personal choice for a support that game, i think a disruptor would have been much more effective against Bone7s NP.
            but then again, you can never go wrong with a kotl pickup.

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            Omni Knight perhaps?

          • Matthew Holliday

            kited too easilly.
            the heal is too mana intensive, makes him useless untill he gets mana boots.
            Tree can cast armour and damage reduction thing globally, makes him far more effective.
            which is why Tree will pretty much always be picked over omni

    • Matthew Holliday

      i made similar points, cant take anything away from the team.
      BVD and Energy are still the two best clans in the country, and if they couldnt take a game off Romania, then theres no other team in the country that could.

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      thanks for that. Like I said I didn’t get to watch the game and I’m more complaining about how the MSSA is limiting the ability of people to enter trials which leaves people wondering.

      If we fixed that then we can start looking at the actual results and games but until then we are always going to wonder if we put our best foot forward

      • Slade Boender

        I can feel you on that completely, if the MSSA’s contingency plan was to ruin SA’s competitive online gaming community nationally, lets see when our clans start making headway to the bigger private comps, Im sure the results will look much more favorable to the guys in green then

  • Rook

    That pic of the gals are some of the SA womans Water Polo side. Ive trained with them… I can say that they will break any man more than playing Dark Souls with you feet.

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      Thanks for that :)… why are they in this gallery then?

      • Rook

        depends whether you found these pics on google searching for “sa woman sports losing”

        • Peter

          Now, have a look at the US Women’s Waterpolo side…

          • Admiral Chief Minion 47

            Indeed
            O_O

    • TiMsTeR1033

      break in what way in body or spirit?

  • Peter

    eSports – the biggest oxymoron in the universe. It’s not a sport. A sport is a physical activity through the use of physical ability and skills. And don’t tell me it is physical because you are doing something with your brain and hands… sitting in front of a PC/console clicking buttons is not physical activity. I really wish they would rename it to something it actually is, like eGames, Strategic Games, or something else.

    • TiMsTeR1033

      Dude they did its “mind Sports” meaning ya use your mind! plus you be suprised how tired you are after an intense game maybe not so much physically but mentally drained!

      • Peter

        If they did, then why does the writer say “Now I’ve never been in an official competitive eSports team”? Fact remains, it’s not a “sport”, doesn’t matter how you try to slice it…

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          It’s classed as eSports by the MSSA and I personally don’t have a strong opinion either way. It’s becoming the common worldwide category for it so why fight it?

    • Matthew Holliday

      games arent taken seriously.
      sports are.
      esports are played against other people. its competition, remove the physical aspect and they are the exact same things.
      e-sports, a mixture between internet/gaming and sports.

  • Paul Fouche

    lol durban not even included.. this MSSA is a bunch of shit .. someone please take over!

  • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

    hehehe “Africa de sud”

  • RMKennySA

    Why doesn’t Lazy Gamer start hosting their own events/trials etc? Let South Africans get noticed through Lazy gamer. Who better to run gaming events than passionate gamers? If enough people support Lazy gamer, you could get some influence into these things.

    • Admiral Chief Minion 47

      Hear hear!

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      we are trying to get a DOTA event off the ground but we keep running into obstacles

      • Slade Boender

        Hit me up if theres anything I can assist with, @hairyknees:disqus and I would probably be able to help with some stuff at least. Would love an LG comp.

      • Skyblue

        Someone with some common sense needs to either come to the party and “fix” MSSA or challenge them directly. They need to stop all this 1980′s regional bullshit for teams and put our best players forward to represent our country. What can we do to assist?

      • RMKennySA

        I say take them on directly. South Africans are getting so used to under performing organizations and no one takes them on. eg. fpb, Saru, MSSA. etc. lazy gamer would naturally have the support of the gamers due to your direct means of communication through your website.

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          nah I don’t want to be involved in politics, it makes it impossible to be biased when reporting.. we just want to see it get fixed

          • Trevor Davies

            UNbiased Gavin ;)

          • bluegoon

            R100 000 local tourney, R2000 entrance fee per clan. You will need 50 clans to break even.

  • hairyknees

    The first game was really one sided but SA put up a great fight in game 2 :) it was exciting!

    I still think that there should be a team chosen based on individual skill, then that formed team work together as the international team. I’m not taking anything away from last nights team, but perhaps there could be a stronger combination? I know a team gelling together is a HUGE thing, the players need to know how to play with each other, but consider this:

    In any sport, lets say soccer, a player will play for their club, and if they are good enough, they will be chosen for the international team. They will spend time playing local games with their club, and then they will spend time playing games with their international team (whether it be friendlies or the world cup for example).

    Granted, Dota is not “physical” and the game is obviously different to any sport I am comparing it to, but surely if we put together a team based on the best mid player, support, carry, etc and let them spend time working together, we will have a better team?

    I mean, if you take South Africa’s rugby team for example, its not like we simply take the entire Sharks/Bulls/Stormers/Lions/etc team because they are the best at the moment. The SA team is created by choosing the best possible player for that role. I think we should at least try applying that logic to our Dota 2 team.

    Also, LG organise some events :P the more practice and exposure players get, the better!

    • Slade Boender

      Lets totally shoutcast the LG comps dude :D

      • hairyknees

        Dude I would be so keen!!! :D

  • SickOfThisNegativeBS

    Dear LazyGamer,
    Please give up you’re horse-shit “coverage” of eSports. I stopped reading after “I wasn’t able to watch it”! Lazy as fuck.
    Regards,
    Gamers

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      If you had read a few more lines you would have realised the article wasn’t about the actual game but rather the preparation for the game…

      Also it’s Lazygamer with a small G… pet peeve and all

    • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

      What part of Lazygamer do you not understand? I kid I kid.

      But have to agree with Gavin, If you kept on reading, You would have notice what the article was about.

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Uh oh, somebody call the Waambulance.
      If you can show me a better place for eSports coverage in SA, feel free to send a link so we can all go there and be amazed at the insightful articles.
      If you cant……SHUT.THE.HELL.UP.

  • Dann

    I am from Romania and I think both teams played well + *Romania vs Africa de Sud* cover is right because they wrote it in romanian.

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Thanks Dann, at the end of the day your team played REALLY well.
      Congrats ^^

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Thanks Dann ^^.

  • Justin

    ROCC, eN, Bravado and rain gaming attended the trials…

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    Celebrity shoutcaster congokyle? IS that a joke? HAHAHAH hope it is, was hilarious

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