Innovation! It’s one of the great big buzzwords that that’s bandied about when big blockbuster games are on the horizon. Innovative new mechanics, innovative new story-telling, innovative this and that – but has there been any real innovation?
Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw doesn’t think so. In an article on The Escapist, the vocal games critic and humourist argued that the only real innovation in the AAA games space has been of the graphical persuasion.
“And I don’t know about you but Halo 5 has brought on something of a melancholy for me, as it brings to sharp relief the fact that the triple-A games industry has, on balance now that the dust has settled, gone precisely nowhere for three whole years,” he says.
“Nothing to show for itself but slightly better graphics and an increased fondness for micropayments. And I know damn well that triple-A isn’t everything, that there’s plenty of innovation in the indie circles, but triple-A stubbornly remains the public face of the industry, and the divide between it and independent development didn’t used to be so abysmally, apocalyptically deep.”
He asks a pretty important question. Has there been any long-lasting, worthwhile innovation in the AAA space? In an article with a similar take-away message, Engadget says that “Innovation in the AAA space doesn’t always mean “different.” Sometimes, it just means “more.”
I asked the rest of the staff if innovation actually happens within AAA blockbusters (most of which are sequels anyway!) and it was surprisingly difficult to come up with anything. Shadow of Mordor’s bit of emergent storytelling with its lauded Nemesis system stands out, and Titanfall’s exquisite take on player movement has now been copied by just about every similar game since – but it’s hard to pinpoint innovation that isn’t beyond the technical, or graphical.
That’s not to say there’s a lack of creativity, or great games – just that they’re not quite pushing any boundaries. Is the AAA space built on nothing but iteration, or is there genuine innovation to be found? Let us know.
Last Updated: November 20, 2015
Figjam
November 20, 2015 at 10:39
Publishers are finding some innovative ways to tack on, and
justify, micro transactions. #justsaying
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:39
Innovation in the AAA space is like a new IP in blockbuster movies. Won’t really happen cause it is a risk for the distributor who happens to also fund the system.
Nikola
November 20, 2015 at 10:40
Yeah movies are becoming even worse to be honest rebooting everything sick of it LIKE rebooting Lethal Weapon I mean WTF!!!! Leave that great movie alone!
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:42
The most original content in movies I have seen lately was Pacific Rim and even that got fairly close to not being made cause it was a “risk”.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:50
Terminator Genisys had me weeping openly from sadness
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:53
Still better than Twiligh …. I mean Pixels. 😛
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:55
I’d rather watch Pixels. Jai Courtney is not gonna happen. Wish hollywood would realize this.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:05
My biggest problem with Terminator Genisys was Sarah Conner suddenly being 4 foot tall.
Dutch Matrix
November 20, 2015 at 11:16
Daai Jai Courtney Guy. Kyle Reese? Please!
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:17
Michael Biehn 4 life!
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 13:36
Michael Biehn was also someone I admired growing up. But I reckon he makes bad choices and has had moderate success.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:18
Is he the popular guy to hate now? I must’ve missed the memo.
Dutch Matrix
November 20, 2015 at 11:20
I hate him. He has one facial expression. Like Kirsten Stewart. Zero talent. Compared to him Arnold can win Oscars!
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:07
hahah man it was bad
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:10
No it wasn’t. Your face is bad!
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:12
I’m with you on this. If you put Terminator 3 next to Genisys then Genisys looks like a timeless classic.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:14
You can put Salvation next to Genisys
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:14
Then you’re nearly on par. Though I think Salvation was better.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:19
I’m okay with that, I liked Salvation. T3 was kaaaaaaaaaaaak.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:20
I liked the ending of T3 better. Kill all humans!
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:21
T3 was below kak.
Kak is more interesting
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:56
Your head is bad!
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:39
Good point. Mind you, Mad Max was epic. One that I can’t believe they are redoing is Point Break.
miaau
November 20, 2015 at 10:50
Ooops, I thought the whole article was about movies. Hmm.
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:07
Agreed
Nikola
November 20, 2015 at 10:40
A big sounding YES! and no at the same time lol I agree that 90% of AAA games lately feel just like sequels and rehash of the previous version where there is not much progress in a way of game play and story telling. However there are a few that were surprisingly innovation and good for example as much as I did not like Shadow of Mordor but the Nemesis system was something really fresh, new and hopefully get implemented a bit more. Destiny as well for me was a first time I played a shooter on a console that felt so smooth but also it is a first FPS game that was like an MMO! So in my opinion sure majority new AAA games are feeling like same stuff over and over but there are some that are still supprise u now and then just not enough of those games to go around!
Ottokie
November 20, 2015 at 10:42
I feel that developers think people are to afraid to jump in and invest in a new game. It’s easier for most gamers to take out a lot of money on something they know the “brand name” of.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:44
It is called consumerism. People would rather go get McDonalds than go to a nice restaurant these days cause it is quick and dirty. Not nearly as satisfying but it gets the job done.
Naudran
November 20, 2015 at 11:10
I agree, what grates me though, is that the same people that complains about there being no innovation and no new IPs, are the exact same ones that rather go and buy the old IP and enable the system of little innovation.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:16
This.
Naudran
November 20, 2015 at 11:07
I don’t know if I would call Destiny innovative, they definitely weren’t the first to take the MMO genre and combine it with the FPS to make a MMOFPS. We had Neocron (released 2002), Planetside (2003), to a degree MAG (2008) and Planetside 2 (2012).
Niether where they the first to take the Action-RPG genre and combine it with FPS (Borderlands as an example here).
So, a fun game I’m sure, but not innovative in my opinion.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:41
I friggin love Yahtzee, dat last part. “If $3.95 is a micropayment then my dick is comfortable petite”
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:41
Also Mr. chuffy and his big blue titty monster XD
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 10:55
HAHAHAHA!!! Yes, that is exactly why I’m not on the XBone bandwagon…
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 10:43
I don’t think they’re stopped, just taking much smaller steps. AAA games cost a crap load to make and, like with the blockbuster movie industry, sequels that don’t shake the boat too much are a safer bet. People always cry for innovation, but sometimes what’s innovative just doesn’t work – like with Evolve. Indies can take more risks because the cost of their failure is much less and they need to do different things to stand out from the crowd. AAAs slowly incorporate what indies pioneer.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:04
I’m going to get flack from this. But let’s face it: The indie scene pioneered the town crafting system that Fallout 4 is now using.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:05
The Mod scene actually.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:08
Agreed, but even with mods there were never such crafting systems though. But the indie games began the whole “build your own town” thing.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:09
Fallout 3 had an awesome weapon crafting mod that looks very similar to what exists in Fallout 4 from what I’ve seen.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:11
Yea, that’s true. I was talking about the building system though. And that of Fallout 4 isn’t as comprehensive as the things indie games have been doing.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
New Vegas has had a building mod that is almost 100% what you see in fallout 4.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
But the point is that it came from other games long before. It didn’t start there.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:15
First ever town crafting was still a mod. Just for another game. Way before indies became popular. DayZ. 🙂
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:17
Very true. And now it’s become it’s very own game.
I vote indies. 😀
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:18
DayZ SA is not an Indie game. The Dev Bohemia Studios is not nearly as big as other devs but they are definitely ages gone from being Indie. 🙂
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:22
True true.
I still vote indies.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:28
I vote kickstarter projects. Still staying strong about Star Citizen. 🙂
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
I agree. I’ve burnt myself once on early access games, but I would rather take that risk at getting burned on an innovative and highly ambitious project than buy another copy/paste game for R500-R600.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:34
Ark was worth it for me. As was DayZ SA as was 7 Days to die as was Project Zomboid and Space Engineers and several other I can’t remember.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:35
ARK is excellent. I’m waiting for my friends to get it, then I’m jumping back in again.
I may or may not have bought Space Engineers today though….maybe….
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:34
Kickstarters are my only “preorders”.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:37
I just got confirmation of several AAA games coming out that I am on the list for next year. I was drunk on Blizzcon again this year. Oh well. I love them even though they disappoint me every now and then.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:12
This.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
Fallout 4 has more options in crafting. Everything from the barrel to the stock
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:08
Sim City you mean! ;P
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:09
You poor deprived man, never enjoyed the amazing crafting indie games us pc gamers have been getting for the past three years. 😉
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:12
EA was aiming for Sim City but they ended up with Hillbrow instead
Naudran
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
Let’s be honest though. Evolve might not have been that successful but they set it up for failure with their horrible DLC strategy. I was still interested in giving it a go, until I heard we are once again only buying half a game.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
Agreed
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:17
I don’t think DLC has got much to do with it really, I think it’s become a big reason after the fact. Star Wars Hardline is still selling gangbusters despite being very similar in that regard. Even after the free weekend on Steam where people tried it out, nobody stuck around because it’s just not that fun to play with random people.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 10:44
Can we blame them though? When games cost millions to make, it becomes harder to take a risk with a game that might or might not resonate with gamers. Even if they want to do something different they’ll slap on MTs, DLC or tacked on MP (With MTs and DLC maps etc lol) to mitigate the risk. The lack of innovation is a direct result of the current gaming environment, but things are slowly changing, and the tides started shifting when big pubs saw the value of indie games.
There is a slow, but steady reemergence of middleware games. Look at Ubisoft releasing Child of light and other smaller titles, or even EA with Yarny. SquareEnix opened up an entirely new studio to develop smaller rpgs like Setsuna too. I believe/hope that if companies can take advantage of a steady release cycle of smaller games, they can manage the risks of bigger AAA games without slapping on MTs and DLC.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:48
Taking Fallout 4 as an example. If you complain about the graphics or the totally optional building system instead of the extremely watered down RPG elements YOU are exactly the reason why AAA games don’t innovate as much anymore. Go back to playing Batman 7 or CoD 15.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 10:51
Don’t be silly, I’d much rather go watch Avengers 3. *run*
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:52
You skipping Avengers 2.5? 😛
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:54
Ant Man? Right?
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:55
Nah. Cptn ‘Merica and the war against Iron man guest Starring Spiderman.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:55
Oh right. Ant Man is Avengers 0.0025
miaau
November 20, 2015 at 10:52
Not having played fallout 4, I would argue that perhaps the watered down RPG elements is more streamlined and more accessible? The days of complicated RPG powers and so forth have sort of gone a long time ago, with a focus on more accessible to everyman.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:53
Because more sales. Same reason why Robocop and Expendables 3 didn’t have an R rating. More ticket sales but resulting in a product being served up like cold porridge.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 10:55
My only real complaint about ME2 was how it removed a lot of the RPG mechanics of ME1 to steam line an already very accessible RPG. I was really happy when they brought some of it back again to ME3.
miaau
November 20, 2015 at 10:56
Witcher 1, 2 and 3. Totally different RPG elements, each iteration less complicated. Same thing.
I HATED ME2 in the beginning. I could not stand the different RPG mechanics. They changed a lot, the ammo stuff especially got to me.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:00
I like it when they make things more convenient by removing pointless busy work tasks that you have to repeat ad nauseam, I get annoyed when they take away options for customisation.
Mossel
November 20, 2015 at 11:54
That ammo kak…fml hated it so much.
Mossel
November 20, 2015 at 11:53
I liked that. I absolutely hated that I had to go through 20 pistols with 50000 different types of bullet combinations in order to find the best one.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:00
Fallout 4 is riding on the fact that Fallout 3 and new Vegas were particularly popular. They are classified as RPG’s so is Fallout 4. Last successful conversion for a series from one genre to another was WoW. C&C renegade tried jumping and failed. Syndicate tried jumping and failed. Remember that recent X-Com horrible piece of crap genre jumper? I did not buy Fallout as an “open world CoD”. Neither did many of the original fans.
miaau
November 20, 2015 at 11:00
Wait, What? Does this mean I should be careful and look more carefully before I buy?
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:02
Nothing we can do really. Pubs get less devs and more marketing people by the day. Look at just about any trailer at E3 and then at the finished product. Don’t kid yourself thinking the Alien:CM debacle won’t ever happen again.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:02
open world CoD?….Most inaccurate description of a game.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:03
Yeah I was exaggerating.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:08
Agh yeah, but I get where you’re coming from though, I still believe that Fallout 3 was a great RPG, in it’s own right. It was just different.
Grand Admiral Chief SpaceNinja
November 20, 2015 at 11:03
That is like dividing by 0
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:02
I really enjoyed C&C Renegade. 😉
Grand Admiral Chief SpaceNinja
November 20, 2015 at 11:03
O_O
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:03
Really?!!
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:07
Yes, I had a blast playing it. Running into the structures to pew pew with filthy Noddies that I’d built in previous games set in that universe was cool. I don’t see anything wrong with companies making different types of games set in the same universe that a different game type established.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:11
You are now officially the only person I know who enjoyed that game. And don’t get me wrong. You can make the jump from one genre to another but your core fans will almost always have issue with it. Specially since the same devs usually make the leap from one genre to another. If you made a RTS for 10 odd years and then decided you are making a FPS you better damn well get some help from someone who has actual experience with making an FPS.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 10:52
Yeah, well, things aren’t that way anymore. Gamers have been complaining a lot of the state of games. Many aren’t complacent with just fancy graphics anymore. It’s why Pillars of Eternity or Dark Souls can be successful. Why, kickstarters like Bloodstained is so successful. Gamers are starting to want more.
schitsophrenic-toothbrush
November 20, 2015 at 11:34
Pillars was great, maybe should go jam icewind dale again that was a classic
Naudran
November 20, 2015 at 11:19
Such a good point.
That brings me to one of my major hates with most of today’s games. Every developer, for some unknown reason, just have this need to make every game open world to the determent of the actual gameplay.
There is nothing, for me at least, as off putting as an open world game. I just really don’t find the fact that I can spend 80+ hours on a game, because I can build a base (which doesn’t have anything to do with the game’s story) or go on 700 different side mission, at all fun. It’s distracting and I just end up not playing or finishing the game.
Also, really… who has time to spend 100 hours on one game. There is so many other to also enjoy.
Mossel
November 20, 2015 at 11:51
This is why I keep ons saying: Give me Bioshock type games. Linear with one or two moral choices and a story that will break your brain and some fun gameplay elements.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:54
I’m a sucker for open world games because I immerse myself in them and become a part of a different world for weeks.
But this is why we have linear and open-world games…people are very different.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 10:49
No, they’re hardly innovating. Playing COD after a 5 years hiatus I can say it is still COD. Sure they added classes to MP and gave the SP abilities ripped from Crysis and Bioshock but it’s still the same.
EA ran out of ideas so they played the nostalgia card and released on third of Battlefront. The other third being accessible through a racketeering scheme and the SP not being bothered with at all.
Ubisoft releasing Ass Creed Similar or Same old shit. Can’t be bothered to remember the name. Also with Far cry they’ve done it all so let’s revert to clubs and bow and arrows.
Capcom had it’s corporate way with Resident Evil series and soured so many people that they had to rethink their DLC policies with SF5. Same game essentially with new characters.
Microsoft, They’ve released Sunset Overdrive so that’s enough innovation for one year. Let’s remaster GOW and bring out a new Halo and Forza….. again
Sony has Horizon Dawn, till then they are scraping the PS3 bin looking for thins to remaster.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 10:51
You forgot Sqeenix.
“We ran out of ideas let us break the in case of emergency panel and dust of the remastered FF7 idea to tie us over”
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:01
And let’s not get started on the “everything is now open world” bandwagon… Littered with nothing other than shards or insignificant side quests that have absolutely no value to them…
Naudran
November 20, 2015 at 11:20
Well said, couldn’t have put it any better.
Original Heretic
November 20, 2015 at 10:53
“Necessity is the mother of invention.” The AAA titles don’t need to innovate as much, because they know they already have a huge market when they pump out a sequel to a best selling game. Even if the sequel sucks, the sheer number of pre-orders alone is going to make them a profit.
miaau
November 20, 2015 at 10:59
Friend of mine who works in book publishing says the same thing: they are petrified of books not selling, so stick to the known, that can be sort of quantified. New authors, who may be brilliant, therefore struggle to get published.
Same reason as games and movies, I think. Money, investor response and all that. Money.
Grand Admiral Chief SpaceNinja
November 20, 2015 at 11:02
A resounding YES from me
Also, goony goo goo
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:02
Yes, I believe they have. They’ve gotten so big that it’s a bigger risk to change something up than to stick to a tried and tested recipe.
oVg
November 20, 2015 at 11:04
Nope 😉
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:09
You get in the sea!
oVg
November 20, 2015 at 11:10
Once I unlock the breathing underwater perk.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:11
$5 DLC
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
lol
WitWolfy
November 20, 2015 at 12:04
Nah more like $5 MT… Every $5 gives you two minutes of breathing underwater.
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:13
Haha! Show us all a picture of your tower man!
miaau
November 20, 2015 at 11:14
steady on, man. steady on.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:21
This is a family site after all.
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
Well… We ARE family 0_O
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
Oh dear
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
All my brothers sisters and me!
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:33
…
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:14
Enough penis for one week. Had to suffer through the duck episode already.
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:16
bwahahah
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:29
NOOOO!!!! Just the mention of it has already triggered that gif in my mind….
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:11
I read seal…. Need some coffee
WitWolfy
November 20, 2015 at 12:03
That graphic is so shit! Reminds me of this..
http://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/z/z-2uk/z_5.png
Next gen my ass! 😉
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 12:06
You poor console folk. Thinking this new innovation in gaming 😉
WitWolfy
November 20, 2015 at 12:11
http://img.memecdn.com/60-fps-master-race_c_5034215.jpg
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:15
Mm
Jonah Cash
November 20, 2015 at 11:06
No not at all. Innovation is very much alive, they find new ways to charge us daily! And everyone has an open world which they can use for their next 10 games. Even EA is busy with an open world game!!!
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:09
Difficult to innovate when you have asshat suits to please with a return.
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:10
Konami has the right idea. They stopped making games completely. Even the ones in progress
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:12
Technically the games are now slot machines.
#Pullthelever!
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:12
XD #Pullthelever
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:16
The answer is quite evident, we have COD, AC, Battlefield, NFS, with every iteration of AAA titles comes more of the same, supplying investors with a steady stream of income. Innovation is also a hard topic to define, it could be major leaps ahead and people won’t like it because “It’s not the same as any other game from this franchise” or “It’s too different, I didn’t like it”, I think the MGS open world stealth was innovating, but was hampered by having to enter the same area fifty hundred and one million seven hundred and onety eleven times to do an extraction of a guy that’s slightly differently paced.
When we draw the comparison to the third iteration of The Witcher, the storytelling was done with amazing detail, whether it be main or side quests, every one was memorable and no matter how you look at it, that is innovation, carrying the same level of quality through everything and creating a homogeneous layout for every story is brilliant, but from a gameplay perspective not much changed, yes they improved mechanics and fighting, a great leap from TW2, but nothing innovative.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:19
I don’t think W3’s thing was to be innovative, it was to be seamless in blending all the good elements together. Which in itself is damn rare in an open world game.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:28
That’s exactly it though, in the realm of open world games that took the leap forward in making every quest as detailed as possible, that in itself is an amazing feat…
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:30
That’s exactly why it remains my GOTY without a doubt.
It just took you somewhere else.
(the fact that there were no loading screens entering buildings and caves also helped in making it seamless)
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
HAHAHA!! Yes, TW3 is my current benchmark to any other game, they’ve set a bar so high that if anything compares to it, it will be great.
Gavin Mannion
November 20, 2015 at 11:18
You know what game added real innovation…. Destiny
Public Events, massive worlds where you could come across other players doing their thing, social space.. Nothing like this ever existed on the console before..
Granted it’s all stolen from MMO’s on the PC but hey, it’s console innovation at least
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:20
You should have said. It’s main innovation was porting the MMO successfully to console. Cause that game is horrible except for its graphics. I would rather play WoW.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:21
We can call it “Console Innovation”
After all, I hear the 1TB hard drive just hit the consoles. Exciting times. ;P
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:21
Hahahahaha. I hear they may get 60FPS HD frames next gen.
Grand Admiral Chief SpaceNinja
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
SURELY YOU JEST?????
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:35
Well at least that is what the E3 presentation will show. Probably hosted by Randy Pitchford. 😛
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:35
lol!
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 12:41
I heard Arkham Knight on PC bases it’s FPS on a random number generator
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 12:46
LOL
Gavin Mannion
November 20, 2015 at 11:21
Destiny is fantastic in the second year… much has changed
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:22
Infusion for FTW
Gavin Mannion
November 20, 2015 at 11:22
for for the win?
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:23
Typical console stutter. *run*
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:26
Framerate drop. 🙂
Grand Admiral Chief SpaceNinja
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
Hahaha
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:33
Either that or he’s playing Batman Arkham Knight on PC.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:24
Hammer likes to keep people on their toes. Must have been on purpose
Grand Admiral Chief SpaceNinja
November 20, 2015 at 11:33
Hammerbrainfart
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 12:41
http://www.chopcult.com/uploads_user/5000/4366/0_2621.jpg
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 12:40
Um yeah. double the win
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:24
Don’t know. I don’t like Destiny but it’s got some damn tight shooting mechanics. It’s very well designed, from a pure gameplay perspective.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:26
Yeah but it is classified as an MMORPG but they seem to have forgotten most of the RPG elements on their website. 🙂
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:27
Hey! I’m pretty sure you can level up…or something…that’s all that’s needed to be classified as an rpg 😛
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:30
Sounds about right.
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:31
Like Diablo. *click**click**click**click**click**click*ding level up*pick skill**click**click**click**click**click*repeat*
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
But but but … The story was there … somewhere!
Alien Emperor Trevor
November 20, 2015 at 11:32
I clicked & missed it. 😀
Ir0nseraph
November 20, 2015 at 11:38
XD
RinceThis
November 20, 2015 at 11:50
lol leather trousers!
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:53
This is why I love ARPGs that support controllers.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:20
FInal Fantasy XIV?
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:22
Had the best and most innovative crafting system of any MMO ever.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:23
I’d take your word for it. It’s the only MMO I’ve ever played 😀
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:24
Most other MMO’s are basically select the thing you wanna craft and press the button.No HQ materials no minigame that can up the quality. Really boring.
Umar
November 20, 2015 at 11:26
Well, that’s most RPGs too (well besides Xenoblade, which has one of the best crafting mechanics in a game, imo).
Gavin Mannion
November 20, 2015 at 11:23
not a Final Fantasy player… but apparently you are correct.. so I’ll say Shooter MMO then
Hammersteyn
November 20, 2015 at 11:21
600 hours into the Casino MMO with guns. Can’t say I didn’t get my money’s worth.
Jonah Cash
November 20, 2015 at 11:33
Destiny did innovate quite a lot and had me hooked for a looong time. Year two started off great, the story was better, the quest steps was a nice touch and then I hit a wall where they once again tried to force me to play with others. There is a lot of things in life I can handle, but I hate being forced to do things! Why they don’t just open Weekly Nightfall strikes and Prison of Elders to matchmaking goes beyond me. Both need about 0% of voice cooperation. If you see the other two dudes dying: run and hide or revive if possible. Destiny has lost me as a player and I defended it for over a year non stop…
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:40
I think one of the questions should also be what do we see as innovative? A new style of gameplay, a new way of telling stories, a new addition to grinding?
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:42
Wait for VR, then grinding is going to have a whole different perspective.
Kromas untamed
November 20, 2015 at 11:43
Hahahaha …. you will need special VR gear for that type of grinding. 😛
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 11:43
XD
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
November 20, 2015 at 11:45
HAHAHAHA!!!! That is true!! Well done!
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 11:50
Just like anything in life, It all comes down to risk versus reward.
WitWolfy
November 20, 2015 at 11:50
There is only so many ways to skin a cat… Innovation is like inspiration, for many of us it doesn’t happen too often..
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:07
I think this sums it up.
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:23
Is anyone getting Star Wars Battlefront ?
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 12:25
Not me.
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:26
Any reason, I am tempted but I am on the fence ?
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 12:28
Compared to what Battlefront II had to offer it just feels very empty.
I also haven’t heard the best of things about the servers.
I’m a huge SW fan, so usually I would jump to be able to pilot an AT-AT, but this just doesn’t have that much appeal to me.
It might be different in the eyes of someone who is huge on MP though, as I only play a select number of MP games.
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:29
Eish Bru. I have the cash and it’s burning a hole in my pocket. Screw it, I loved Battlefield 3 so I am going to take the risk.
Captain JJ the Goo
November 20, 2015 at 12:30
You won’t be the only person playing it, that’s for sure, and it definitely can’t be a crash like Hardline. So I do believe there’s fun to be had there.
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:32
Hardline sucked. Waste of money and bandwidth. Had some great fun with Battlefield 3. Battlefield 4 also a tad crappy. Mainly bandwidth issues.
WitWolfy
November 20, 2015 at 12:32
LOL NO! I’d rather buy Destiny than Battlefront.. And thats saying a LOT!
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 12:34
Yeah, I am over my affair with Destiny. After running around night after night doing the same thing over and over again, I lost interest. I did not like the Destiny death-matches.
Darren Peach
November 20, 2015 at 13:05
Trying to please a gamer is like trying to dry a wet towel under water…..
MakeItLegal
November 20, 2015 at 15:37
its been stale now for a while i think , and shallow , game in the AAA space feel shallow and cheap ( MGSV repeating missions and BLOPS3 party fail , AC unity been a mess at launch and gameplay nothing new since AC1 )