Sony: The PS4 has better graphics 
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Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm

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Just two short weeks ago, it was easy for Sony to take jabs at Microsoft and its silly DRM and used games restrictions. That’s changed now that Microsoft has dropped its DRM, and Sony has to start fighting properly. And the first sneaky salvo in this renewed battle comes with Sony saying that the PS4 has better graphics than the Xbox One. 


"The reality is that every time a generation changes the playing field is leveled," Senior vice president Guy Longworth said in an interview with Games Industry.biz. “We actually think that we’re going to have superior graphic fidelity, but the whole value proposition has to be right."

According to rumoured statistics, the PS4’s GPU is capable of delivering 50% more raw-number crunching goodness than the Xbox One’s – which Microsoft will be leveraging through its use of the cloud.

Beyond that though, both consoles are architecturally rather similar and of course, it’s not just about the shiny graphics.

When it comes to consoles, the number one bit of import is games. which system do you feel has the better games right now?

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  • Argentil

    The power of the cloud*

    *real world results may vary significantly to advertised content

    • HvR

      MS boardroom meeting:
      puff puff pass
      “So that is the DRM policy, what about GPU”
      puff puff pass
      “Look at the dragon in the smoke cloud, this is good shit”
      puff puff pass
      “Cooool, we should totally use the cloud for graphics”

      • Argentil

        Make the hotbox bigger guys, so we can get more in.
        Someone misunderstood the statement and designed a much bigger Xbox.

      • Captain Minion TallTwit

        Have an up vote.

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        Hahaha! Nicely put. I wonder if that’s why they went back on the DRM. “Like, did I say we were using DRM, or like uhhh, did you? Where are we?”

        • Argentil

          That would explain May 21st.

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            Like uhhh, when was that? 0-O

          • Argentil

            Xbox announcement.

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            0-O I was acting as stoned MS employee!

      • http://lazygamer.net/ OVG

        puff puff pass
        “What about this new craze called Spaceboof and boobtube?”
        puff puff pass
        “We have it already. But what about a 48hour or weekly check to see if the children are behaving and not watching to much of that Pirates of Cuba?”
        puff puff pass
        “Naaaaaaaa 24hours is that cool TV series, lets do it every 24hours”
        puff puff pass
        “Raise your hands if you like Kieth?”
        puff puff pass
        “24 hours it is then”

        PUUUUUFFFFF PUFFFFFFF
        “Should the Kinect be on or off?”
        PUUUUUUUUUUF
        “Both”

        • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

          HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Nicely done.

    • R4geGam3r

      Have you seen Titanfall?

      /jk

  • TechniKyle

    I’m going to treat this the same way I do with magnum ice-creams. Unless someone buys me that new flavoured ice-cream, I’m going to stick to my guns and go with death by chocolate.

    • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

      Haha

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      BIscotti one is amazeballs. Just saying.

      • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

        Hmm…DAT almond flavoured ice-cream.

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          Foreigners visiting here always say that MINT is the best, since we are one of the few countries you can find it in. No MINT flavour in most of Europe apparently. Poor souls…..

      • TechniKyle

        My sister’s BF bought me one. So I know what it tastes like.

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          Good man.

  • Argentil

    This. If you’re going to pick up a console at launch (which isn’t a good idea), you should consider the legacy of the previous console to gauge what the game situation would look like 3 years from now.

    • Hammersteyn

      In that case Last of Us. Sorry but I am still raving about this game and will for a while still.

      • Argentil

        Well, ja, duh-doi. :P

      • CaptainNemo42

        No. In that case, the console to get would be the Wii U. Looking at all the games and exclusives of the Wii. :P

        • Argentil

          Unless you’re looking for new IPs.

          • CaptainNemo42

            Yeah, I know. Was just trolling a bit. I agree you have to look at the older console’s repertoires to figure what you are in for. If that is the case, then it is a no-brainer for me and will go with Sony, because they keep on churning out quality like The Last Us, as @hammersteyn:disqus said.

          • Argentil

            MS have the weakest exclusives list, BUT they have a few gems. Crackdown, Rares entire portfolio, Halo – I will not count Gears, I think it’s safe to move on from that series, as great as it was.

          • CaptainNemo42

            They do have some great games, but all of their games are a lot of the same, playing it safe. Sony have a lot more variety and seems to be a bit more creative. There just seem to be a bit more passion from the 1st party studios. Look at just about everything made by Naughty Dog. Look at a game like Journey. It got a damn Grammy Nomination. It’s so damn good I didn’t even realise I was playing with other people until I finished the game. THAT is what impresses me in a game.

          • Argentil

            Journey is a game that triggers goosebumps for me. Love that game. Thanks for the free goosebumps though Oo

          • CaptainNemo42

            Journey is something truly special. I believe you have not gamed on your PS3 until you’ve played Journey.

          • Argentil

            I like you. Now I have more creepy goosebumps so I’m going to go.

          • Arturo Pérez

            the weird thing is that when people talk about good ps3 excluvies they can only mention the last of us and it has been out for 2 weeks

        • Hammersteyn

          Another Mario or Zelda or Metroid game :P

  • Hammersteyn

    I have to say MS with the Titanfall reveal but then it turned out there is no SP. Anyone who has played Last of Us has seen the graphics, the minute level of detail given to the levels,the character models when they talk and show emotion.

    If anything this game shows that with two consoles this close to each other in relation to hardware specs, it will be up which developers gets the most out of the hardware that will determine the best graphics.

    • Tarisma

      Can you really call Titanfall an exclusive it’s coming to PC also

      • Hammersteyn

        Shucks, kinda forgot about that.

        • Uberutang

          And to xbox 360. SO not exclusive at all really.

    • LikeItIs

      Sorry but Crysis 3 on PC creams Last of Us in the graphics dept and by some margin.

      • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

        That’s true – but it’s a far worse game, by as big, if not bigger a margin.

      • Hammersteyn

        True, PC will always be better. But the article was about which is better XBOX or PS

  • Lord Chaos

    I seriously loose faith in a product when they say start saying things like this.

    On paper, yes, it’s more powerful, but I’ve run my fair share of GDDR3 vs GDDR5 tests and benchmarks and the difference is negligible.

    And not just on RAM, on all I have done before upgrading my PC.

    • Argentil

      Well, if the RAM isn’t convincing, the GPU output is higher on the PS4.

      • Lord Chaos

        My point stays, I even did GPU tests, unless you can show me actual benchmarks you can go get screwed, saying on paper it has double this or provides 60% more that means nothing.

        Are those TFlops actually being used and so forth.
        Unless I can see a marked frame rate increase and smoother handling of the same game on two different cards then I really don’t care who says what.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          The graphics card that’s in there is capable of handling higher graphics and pure power throughput. It’s not up to PS4 to ensure the games look pretty or run great now. It’s up to the developers to decide if they want to use that power and how much to push the graphics.

          So it’s in dev hands now.

          • Lord Chaos

            Exactimo.

            And that would only happen for exclusives, and IF clock speeds and so forth are actually all round better and they don’t sit with another bottleneck.

            Why would they create a game with amazing graphics only to recreate on lower for another system.

          • Argentil

            We’ll be seeing fewer outsourced ports this gen which is always a good thing.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Yep. At the end of the day it’s about who does what with games. The systems are now there. On paper the PS4 does appear faster in the graphics department and has less OS overhead to worry about so in theory devs have more to work with.

            But the proof will be in the pudding

          • Lord Chaos

            And even when it comes to RAM… I went overkill with 32GB of DDR3 2166 and I am yet to see it top 5GB. Even Metro: Last Light doesn’t pass 5GB total used, and that’s including OS

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            I have 4GB Ram and vary rarely is that not enough.

            It’s also 1600 ram and I run it at 1333 because there is zero performance difference in games between the 2 speeds. RAM is one of the most over exaggerated pieces of hardware around. What counts is you CPU and GFX power.

            All you need is enough RAM to handle the requests and it doesn’t need to be running any faster than 1333

          • Argentil

            The difference with a PC is that the games cap out with memory consumption. With a console, developers develop to fully utilise the console’s specs because there is a uniform architecture.

          • Lord Chaos

            But I doubt they will dev for PS4 utilizing all and then go back to the drawing board for the one.

          • Argentil

            Ja, I was referring to comparing PC and Console performance. You can’t compare them.

          • Lord Chaos

            Yep, and even when it comes to that, some things are not even worth mentioning. The diff between PCI-E2 and 3 being a prime example.

            Hell, my development tools take up more then any game so far.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Lol. I was actually wondering about the difference between PCIE2 and 3. Haven’t seen any benches show any form of vast improvement yet. I put it down to game optimization not having caught u yet

          • Lord Chaos

            Ended up getting a 3 card anyway, but the board is only 2, so technically not using all these ‘massive’ jumps, but saved on the board and savings went to sound and other stuff.

        • Argentil

          That’s nasty >:(

          In all seriousness though, there have been a few mentions from developers saying the same thing. No one’s implying the Xbox One is going to have noticeably worse graphics, but there’s no reason to believe they’ll be on par either. We’ll only start seeing differences in a year+ when multiplat developers are familiar with the architecture.

          • Lord Chaos

            Well… not you, the people trying to sell me hardware.

    • HvR

      Details are lacking but it seems that PS4 is running a more powerful Radeon core than the One (there has been hints previously with reported processing capabilities One 1.2TFLOPS vs PS4’s 1.8TFLOPS)

      • Argentil

        I also forgot to mention that 3GB of memory is sacrificed for running the OS’s on the Xbox One – compared to the 1GB for the PS4’s interface.

        • Lord Chaos

          That is very true, and I’m not putting one console over the other.

          Just stating that these words are meaningless unless they can back it up with cold hard facts.

          • gggg

            The xb1’s gpu won’t be using any of the 8gb ddr3 ram unless devs can max out its main memory first for graphic processing. The xb1 gpu memory is the 32mb esram, which is way faster than the gddr5 ram. 32 Mb esram =102 gb/s bandwidth, all that just for the gpu, and on top of that the gpu also has access to the 8 GB ddr3 ram.

      • Uberutang

        My current GPU does 2.4TFLOPS. So 1.2 is seriously low and 1.8 is not that impressive for 2013…. nevermind 2016 etc. they should have gone with more hardcore hardware.

        • HvR

          It gets difficult to do direct comparisons between separate GPU cards via PCI-E and cores on the same silicone. Also having a set max resolution 1080p makes it easier.

          Also those figures were “leaked” info and not official.

          • Uberutang

            True. Dont you think 1080p is a bit low to aim for though? If these consoles need to be future proof surely they should be aiming for 4k / 60fps at the very least, right out the box? Just fear these things is going to be dated again in 5 years time.

          • HvR

            Not at all, to go to 4K now is jumping the gun and will drastically increase console prices since now you need to process 16 times the graphical data.

            The international commercial 4K tv units just hit the markets now, using the HDTV adoption as an guide (which was quite a quick adoption in technology terms), first international commercial set came out in 1998, HDTV broadcast and media only came available in 2004 with market wide adoption only happening in 2007/8. So at around the same adoption rate we are looking at 4K only becoming a reality for the everyday man at around 2020 with market wide adoption only at around 2022.

            So it is quite possible that even the next generation not catering for 4K.

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      But SONY said the ps4 was better, and they wouldn’t lie to me! They wouldn’t lie to their customers! SONY SAID SO!

      They wouldn’t include rootkits on their audio CD’s, and then deny their existence. They’d never hide PSN hacks until they had no choice but to make them public. and they’d never force blu-ray or 3d on consumers in order to sell tech.

      NOT MY SONY!

      • Argentil

        WoW dude, calm down. Hyperbole, I know, but still.

        I’ve never personally encountered a Sony cockroach like that, lol. I think a lot of what happened with that hack was confusion, and Japanese business ethics. As for the rootkits, I’ve seen it a lot, and Microsoft are even worse having given out personal information to the NSA recently. If you’re involved with any large company, they are always looking for ways to cop a feel and invade your privacy.

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          People like that actually exist. We used to have a ton of ‘em here :P

          • Argentil

            And I have met Microsoft and Nintendo people like that. It’s when you offer a reasonable argument that they get riled up. As a Sony consumer, I feel they’ve done right by me, but that is the first I’ve heard of rootkits in music.

          • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

            Was whole huge scandal years ago. Was interesting – because they first denied it, then denied it was harmful – then they released an uninstaller, which didn’t actually uninstall it, just hid it from programs.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

          • Argentil

            Sony, you so silly. I’m glad Kaz Hirai is running the show, and putting competent peeps in charge.

            As for the rootkit thing, I’ve encountered 2 NCSoft games requiring a rootkit install. I’m sure there are plenty other examples. I think it’s just a disconnect between the company and the consumer, they don’t even consider it as an invasion of privacy or a security problem.

          • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

            Playstation’s current management instills faith in me. Not just Hirai, but Tretton -and yoshida who really seem to care about games, Andrew House, who really understands games a a business and best of all, Adam Boyes who’s now doing developer relations. He’s rad.

            I think there’s a genuine culture of videogaming going on at Sony at the moment, where its figureheads don’t *come across* as pure business.

          • Argentil

            The other Geoff in gaming mentioned that Tretton is well known within the industry for being a genuine, nice guy. Hearing that makes me happy. We need more relatable nice people taking our money from us.

      • Lord Chaos

        Nor would they make my PS3 a very expensive door stop…

        • Argentil

          Well, they did release a fix for that if you’re referring to the 4.45 update. I think ‘bricking’ was the wrong word to throw around the internet since a reset of the system sorted the problem.

          • Lord Chaos

            That was only sarcasm. Just glad I didn’t download that update.

            I might throw around some very juxtaposed opinions but at the end I’m a gamer and will end up getting both anyway at some point.

          • Argentil

            As do I. Always open to new information.

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        Troll level over 9000!

  • Samantha Leigh Tavener

    I’m not sure which console has the better games, I’ve heard from both sides that each has more exclusives than the other. But I believe when it comes to gaming, the graphic, while impressive, don’t drive the story. I like games that capture my imagination in terms of interesting characters and storyline. With the technology of today I believe both PS4 and Xbox One with be graphically beautiful, I’ll wait and see which games capture my interest.

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      Stop speaking sense! That’s not what console wars are about! ;)

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        Burn the heretic!

      • Spathi

        Let me help her:

        Roflol, Xbone will look like NES games compared to PlayStation 4!1!!!! Xbots can’t even play Last of Us or Uncharted, only the same games always, which games are for kids. PS will even be better than PCs!!!! PS4TW!!!!!!

        • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

          Oi! You said it wasn’t Friday!

          • Spathi

            Dammit :D

      • HvR

        We are turning Lazygamer into place of sensible debate one post at a time.

        Making Gavin happy to see his wonderful gaming site utopia coming to form.

        Then when he least expects it we drag it other mothers, favorite gaming platform and CoD playing abilities into it and “burn” utopia to to the ground.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Has no one learned that Utopia’s never work? Just look at Rapture and Columbia. Those all get turned to nothing but rubble

          • HvR

            precisely and ruins the creator

            muhahahaha!

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Wait, that’s right… The creator always bites the dust 0_o. Oh no! Gavin! Don’t do it man! Don’t turn lagz in to a utopia!

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          Just you wait until Ghosts gets the Best of 2013 award!

          • Kromas

            Already have a bullet loaded into my gun for that day. And yes games will have been involved in my death :P

          • HvR

            … and Lazygamer is owned and sponsored by Bob Martin.

    • Argentil

      Currently, Xbox One has more exclusives, if I were completely impartial I would be closer to Xbox One as a casual gamer. If Sony pull through at Gamescom, might be a different story.

    • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

      Very much agreed. that’s essentially what games are supposed to do. It’s great to indulge in a world outside of ours, one we know will never exist

    • CaptainNemo42

      I agree with your argument that graphics is not the reason for buying a console, and while it does add to the value of the experience, it is not the sole factor to overall enjoyment.

      Hypothetical question then: Lets say both consoles were exactly equal in hardware, and added services, who would you then say gets your money should you buy a console on launch? Looking at current offerings of actual games.

  • Captain Minion TallTwit

    Must…stop…laughing…at…header…

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      Yeah definite header lulz

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    You do bring about a very fair point. But one really doesn’t know what games are coming in the future. We have a rough idea of the new few earlier games and one or 2 late ones.

    So for those who chose to adopt early it’s a little more difficult to decide on long term.

    But yes, one needs to be smart about this and try to think as much long term as possible

  • Tarisma

    Ordered my PS4 last night. Yippy

  • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

    Can’t really say, A lot of games were running on PCs too. Too early to tell. Once devs get comfatable with the system we will see really amazing graphics. Example —-> The Last of Us

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      I doubt it will take them as long this time since the environment they will be coding for will be pretty much PC anyway. So they should get the hang of it much faster and should then be able tor produce some amazing visuals.

      • Argentil

        Ja, here’s hoping. Sony are pretty confident and have said that development turnaround has dropped to 2 years over 3 – which is really good for us. Multiplatform developers and indies benefit the most this gen.

      • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

        True, I mean looking at some of the games, they already look amazing. But I still prefer art style over graphics really…I don’t know but Battlefield 4 looks purrty but I’ve seen those environments and everything else before. Then I look at Murdered Soul, and the art direction looks really neat and different

        • Argentil

          I feel like I was born and raised in New York, for example. Would be nice to see more games set outside of the US.

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Not just outside of the US….outside of this dimension

          • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

            O yes please.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Yes, this is where I agree with you!

          If I look at BF4 it’s great and all but too “real” then I look at games like Bioshock Infinite and as you mentioned, Murdered Soul and I think to myself “now this is what games should be looking like” simply because it doesn’t mimic real life and takes creative licence with the “world” you play in

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Exactly …. Why should I care about how realistic my Dog looks in Ghosts, I see dogs everyday…What I don’t see is Flying Hobos throwing grapefruits….but seriously, yes, It’s too real. Real is good too, but hearts are captured my imaginative worlds not Highest Fidelity graphics .

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Couldn’t have said it better myself

          • Argentil

            ‘this is a fantasy based on reality.’
            FFXV is a good example.

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Yes! what if our world was like that, it looks real, but an alternative fantasy version. Even the Last of Us, how would our world look after such an outbreak.

  • Rock789

    The PS4 line up definitely has me more excited at the moment. Yes, I love the look and sound of Forza 5. But 1 game does not maketh the console. ;-)

  • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

    What I want to know is how long it’s going to take PCs to finally level up and compete with these two consoles…

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Happened a few months back ^^

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        hehehe ;)

      • Lord Chaos

        lol. What? back in the late 70’s?

      • http://www.codescrawls.co.za/ OminousRain

        LOL, Yip pretty much.
        But I must say. Very excited about the new gen. Not going to buy one.
        But just think that, when the dev for PC, they don’t need to hold back as much.

    • Spathi

      It’s not Friday yet, hold back a bit!!

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        Haha! It’s a slow day, and I need something to keep my smurf fingers from freezing completely.

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      They already have with the advent of the new generation GFX cards.

      The highest graphics game coming out for next gen currently is BF4 and PC’s are already running that. It’s what the tech demos are being showcased on.

      That being said, you can’t buy a R7000 PC that would run BF4 at 1080p at 60FPS either.

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        Yip, looks like another 10k drop to get a decent PC. This is my point, its just becoming so expensive to stay a PC gamer.
        Hence why I am so interested in the console wars.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Once you have a rig it isn’t too pricy. A good 3k mid range card as of late will do (any current gen AMD or nVidia).

          But if you are trying to start up gaming for a first time or haven’t upgraded in a long time then your bank account is going to have an exceptionally bad time

  • Ultimo_Cleric N7

    Both have some great games coming out.
    But after E3 there is only one word that matters to me (IE MY opinion, not what I think is Fact)
    Destiny……

  • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

    So if the Xbox One is going to reply on the Cloud, and people don’t have the cloud, what are we talking about? Games that are not going to look as pretty for those without internet?

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      So basically, you still need Internet access to get the best graphical quality and gameplay experience then?

      • Spathi

        The power of the cloud = DRM

        • Ultimo_Cleric N7

          Cloud tech is incredible, no doubt about it. And no more DRM on the Xbox is a good thing indeed. But the PS4 still feels like the more ‘Solid’ system, no but’s/if’s. Just an easy system. Well at least thats what they have told us so far.

          • Spathi

            Cloud tech is dedicated servers. It is the same as Diablo 3’s server that did the AI, but not to call upon the mighty power of the cloud, but as a way to implement DRM. I’m really really skeptical about the whole cloud thing. There are pros to dedicated servers obviously, but I’m scared that people like EA may abuse them.

            If the Publishers doesn’t abuse the “cloud”, great stuff. I’m all for it then. Although I HIGHLY doubt we will get any real performance boost from them, and if indeed, it will probably be negligible.

            Oh well, time will tell. Thank you MS for giving us something to speculate about :)

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            ugh…is it going to be like Diablo 3? wow, in that case Ms can jump ship. I HATED the fact that you needed an interent connection to play SP……you are totally right though. Cant see EA NOT abusing the cloud funtionality. Hence why they are practically in bed with MS.

          • Spathi

            Look, actually I know nothing. I am Jon Snow! But MS haven’t yet given me any reason not to be skeptical about the alleged power of the cloud. There are a lot of articles about how the power of the cloud is BS. With the Xbox having had troubles with piracy this gen, I can’t think of a better cover-up than coining a new term and making it seem awesome than: “the power of the cloud”.

            I maybe completely wrong, and I hope I am.

          • Ultimo_Cleric N7

            HAHAHA!! YOU NOO NUTHIN JOHN SNOWW!!!!

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        My point exactly. The system is $100 more, you need to have internet for the thing to work nicely, isn’t that kindda like DRM is still here, like that bad taste in your mouth after a night out with a bottle of whisky and your, uhhh…

        • Happy Hamster

          And your Saints Row 4 replica banned in Australia weapon?

          • HvR

            better learn the correct safe word

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            No DRM?

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      I think that it would be integral to the game to have the cloud processing. So if you don’t have internet you won’t be able to run the game at all.

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        You think they won’t offer a miltilayered experience. Like, when you up a game from 720 to 1080?

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Nope. Because the cloud won’t be assisting running your graphics (From what I gather) but rather doing things like AI calculations, loot drop calculations etc; and so opening up local console processing power to handle the graphics alone.

          So no cloud would mean no AI etc which means no game

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            If that is the case wow. I always gathered the cloud was there as like a purple dildo for an Australian Politician, you know, an extension of what he/she already is… Le Sigh…

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Hahahaha. Nope. Cloud computing is nowhere NEAR ready to really share CPU and GPU processing power over the net. Internet is just not fast enough currently with way too much latency issues which would cause a whole bunch of clock cycle sync issues on a CPU for example.

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            I always thought that too. *Stick to my PS4 I think…

    • Warren Ross

      I don’t see how they plan to off-load processing for a real-time application like a video game into the cloud…

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        Isn’t that what they keep going on about? I know they mentioned things like Ava(can’t believe I am going to say it)drive, but I am sure they said that with the 300,000 servers they can make the actual games look better

        • Warren Ross

          I haven’t kept abreast of all the claims, but I simply don’t see how off-loading processing into the cloud will really help in a game from a rendering point of view…a modern GPU processes so many millions of instructions per second regarding textures and triangles and vertices and surfaces etc. that I can’t fathom how pushing anything like that into the cloud across an internet connection that AT BEST has a latency of a few milliseconds is going to improve graphical fidelity…

          Perhaps I just spend too much time with outlandish claims about “teh cloud o.0″ that I’m a little jaded. :)

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            No I am with you on this, I don’t get it too. Doesn’t make sense. But then again, we’ve forgotten that we can order pizza while playing, maybe this is what the 300,000 servers are for? A greater variety of toppings?

          • Argentil

            It’s mostly inflated, but there is some merit to the claim. If AI calculations are done ‘through the cloud’ it’s one less thing your hardware has to deal with, and so the resources can be used to improve the look of the game. It’s not going to be a noticeable difference, but it could improve performance. The main advantage is improved AI.

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            So improved, meaning if you don;’t have cloud you just have stupid AI, but at least you can play? A few comments further up suggesting you won’t even be able to play the games if you don’t have cloud…

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            From what I gathered it’s required if it uses cloud computing. No middle ground. But I am no expert and we will have to wait and see.

            This generation, unlike any other, is the most dangerous to be an early adopter in because no one knows exactly where either companies are really heading.

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            Very true.

          • Argentil

            Forza is an example of optionally improved AI.

  • Lardus

    Which platform has the better games….PC! Master Race RULES!

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      I am a PC player but I have to disagree. I am starting to become envious of the console crowd because as of late they are getting all the cool titles :(

      Yes I am a bit bitter about that

      • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

        You sure it’s not cus our consoles now out power yours? trolololo!

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Your consoles don’t :) The best tech demos your consoles have thrown out so far have been running on PC’s. #JustSaying :P #TrollolRightBackAtYou :P

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            Lies! All lies, seeded by PC boys who want my precious Xbone! 0-O

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Urm… Right… Moving on to the next comment then

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            It’s been a longish week ;)

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Stop. Dude just stop. Hahahahahaha

          • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

            HEAR HEAR!!!

      • CypherGate

        Thats true very true. I used to be quite the PC Gamer, but there are such great titles on the consoles that dont come to pc that I just had to get into the console game as well. So i play certain PC games (Civilisatioin Gods and Kings, some FPS’s) and then others on Console.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Yeah, I just don’t think I am ready to make the move to console yet. But I feel the time is fast approaching looking at the weight developers are already throwing at next-gen gaming on consoles

          • Spathi

            Buy a PS3 this December. Just do it!! The PS3 is not supposed to convert you into a console pleb. It will broaden your gaming horizon and makes for a great media player as well.

            With PSN+ at R 365 a year, you won’t have to buy any games for it. Best investment ever!!

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            All I want is to be able to play Journey darnit! Why it no come to PC!?

          • CypherGate

            Also i dont know but i get a sense of relaxation when sitting in front of my TV and gaming on my couch whereas with my PC I game at my desk. The feel is different. I wonder if im the only one who feels that way? The thing also with me is that current console graphics i kinda have to ignore cause PC Spoilt my eyes with all its eye candy, but playability and the mere fact you pop in a disc and just play with basically no errors makes it so appealing as well.

          • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

            that’s what ended up “turning” me too. :/
            I’ll happily play on anything, but pc gaming makes it somehow feel like work to me. Sure, i can hook my pc up to my tv, and use a controller..but it *still* just doesm’t feel the same.

          • CypherGate

            The feel is different indeed. Working on a PC or mac whole day and coming home to relax to play games on a PC would feel like work. I think thats what makes it different. Even as you say having a PC hooked up to an HD TV and use a controller to play your games still just doesn’t feel the same. Look at us now? On PC’s working so imagine you want to get time away from the thought of work only to get behind a pc again.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Well the TV/couch thing doesn’t bother me as I have my PC attached to my TV :) So I get that same pleasure with keyboard on lap, mouse on side coffee table and stretched out on the couch.

            Very relaxing :) But I do imagine a controller would be a little more comfortable

          • CypherGate

            lol i think i link PC to work is cause i work like 12hours a day with a Mac/PC so coming home to play games on a pc would make it feel like work lol

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            Here I have to say I agree. I sit in front of a PC for 10 hours a day, when I get home and see my home PC I have this unreasonable hatred of it. I then put my 360 on as a way of making the PC jealous. I’ve also always like being able to move from chair to couch to even standing while being able to play without much hassle of moving mouse/keyboard.

          • Double-O-Six and a half

            Simple Solution…

            play at work!!!

            I’m not sure how long you’d still have a job but at least your problem of associating PC gaming with work will be resolved…

          • CypherGate

            lol I wish it was that easy!

      • Lardus

        Lol, I play the most games on my Xbox, but was attempting a troll since I do not know yet which console I will be getting :)

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          Hehe. Successful troll is successful at making me feel bitter about the lack of PC exclusives.

          I’m just going to go cry in that corner over their if no one has any complaints.

      • Andre116

        Join us…we all float down here…

        Also, our hands are warmer in the winter because we can hold the control under a blanket while playing games.

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          What else do you hold under the blanket while you play games?

          • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

            Play nice… Or is that what you are trying to suggest? 0-O

          • Andre116

            If I get a Xbox one I’m sure that my Kinect will be happy to show you.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          My parents always told me my hands should stay above the blankets :P

          • Andre116

            That was only because you were making that other people in the room extremely uncomfortable.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            I walked in to that one didn’t I?

          • Andre116

            No…sounds more like your parents walked in on that one.

      • CaptainNemo42

        That even started this generation. Just look at Red Dead Redemption.

      • YnotNDalton

        this is actually true

  • http://lazygamer.net/ OVG

    It is also an off line console, no spycam, more RAM and $99 cheaper than the green turd.

  • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

    Is it just me or has everyone kind of calmed down ? things seem a lot nicer i the comments now

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      It’s cos Erwinn’s not here today. ;P

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        He is always here with us in our hearts :)

        • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

          Chewing on your vital organs, yessssss

      • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

        He is here today, just … in a different form … we ain’t even seen his final form

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          He just keeps adding letters to his name as he evolves.

          Soon, he’ll be Erwinnnnnnnnnnnn Kempfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Ha! Hahahaha! Hahahahahaha!
            I’m ok… I’m…. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

            YOU TOO

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            We missed you yesterday :)

          • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

            *AHEM*

        • Zoe

          are you implying that erwinnnn’s a pokemon? do we need to breed and evolve him?

          • RitterBruder

            It all makes sense now !! i can die peacefully

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Erwin … more like erwee , he was given a dry wors stone and thus became Groot Wors … so depending on the type of stone we give him, we will get different results :)

          • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

            OI!!!

      • Admiral Chief Groot Wors

        *gives Geoff the stink eye*

    • RinceTheWhiskyWithIce

      It’s cus Gavin has spoken 0-O Oh, and Foxhound is still in a mental bin after hearing about no more DRM and it beinr $99 more… (The following comments from Rincethis have been censored by Gavin… trololo!)

      • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

        Let it be known … Gavin has the voice of power, let him say STAND! and we shall jump!

  • Tbone187

    It’s the multiplatform games that have my attention…Ryse looks amazing on Xbox but so to does infamous on PS… Everything else pales into insignificance in front of the new MGS tho with Battlefield a close 2nd…

  • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

    Can we discuss this over some tea and cucumber sammich’s ol’ chaps?

  • brad coetzee

    Sunset Overdrive has me sold on the xbox one but Im going to be smart and wait a year to see which console is the better. I still got my PC so I dont really care.

  • ALKi1234

    No frame rate issues at least……yeah!After playing red dead redemption,me eyes was so red it looked like i had a FAT joint.

    • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

      It’s typical for PS3 games to screen tear.

      • YnotNDalton

        its the other way around.. 360 screen tears bad.. look at dragons dogma.. its horrible on 360

  • Lord Chaos

    I do have a feeling this has way more comments than it should.

  • http://www.facebook.com/khulie.ndlovu Khulani Ndlovu

    So the headsets are unnecessary, i just don’t get why the inclusion of kinect can affect the availability of just simple headset, i wanna be private on my conversation not loud speaker, damn they just don’t get it privacy, no wonder they want eyes on you,

  • Deano

    Judging from last gen comments that the PS3 was going to blow away the Xbox 360 I think we will have similar results this time. Both systems graphics will be more or less the same, and AAA games will look great on both.

  • Sageville

    For me they can’t really make such sweeping statements until they compare apples with apples.

    I’m waiting for Destiny. When thats out on both platforms I’ll be looking forward to seeing proper comparisons (There LG, some future article for ya).

    ..and being totally unbiased I see PS4 pooning Xbone so hard that it’s old DRM policies will be restored.

  • R4geGam3r

    Totally agree I think with the PS3 Sony has showed that they are not scared to introduce new IP’s and support it through the whole of it’s life cycle. And hopefully this will carry through to the PS4. The reason I made Xbox my main console was due to 3rd Party exclusives like Mass Effect, Bioshock etc. Seeing as these were timed I won’t be making the same mistake twice. Not one 1st party MS exclusive grasped me this gen and also seeing how they only had GOW:Judgment this year. PS4 all the way.

  • Thats_how_I_Troll

    Hi All, just want to find out by the other PC techs, pc tweaking, do you guys switch of core parking on your CPU? And Radeonpro, have any of you guys use it?

  • Darren Peach

    “The Cloud” Sounds so……….Matrix !