Sexuality shouldn’t be a big deal, says Killer is Dead’s Suda 51 
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Darryn Bonthuys
April 17, 2013 at 12:30 pm

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There’s a lot to be said about sex in video games these days. Most of it being guys shouting “FAKE”. Still, the subject of polygons getting intimate is a taboo in the western side of the industry, thanks to a combination of cultural norms and an interest in thinking about the children. And that’s something that Killer Is Dead staffer Suda 51 thinks shouldn’t be a big deal at all.

“I don’t really use [sex] as something full frontal, but sexuality is a good way to express a certain element in the game,” Suda 51 said to Eurogamer.

Maybe sexuality in games shouldn’t be as big a taboo, but at the same time I live in a country where sexuality is pretty crazy.

I think Western publishers do similar things, like with [Grand Theft Auto], going out to a strip club and other things. But I do understand that if a Western developer was to create something like [Gigolo mode] it could backfire.

Gigolo mode? Oh right, that’s the section of Killer Is Dead where you can try your luck at picking a date at various points in the game, using charm, grace and lingerie-revealing shades.

We’re at a point in western games where fan service such as this is frowned upon now. We’ve got a 50/50 skew between the genders of gamers, and it’s becoming more than obvious that this kind of content is starting to make audiences feel uncomfortable.

But it’s not something that is going to disappear over night. Like Suda 51 mentions, sexuality in games is also a result of the culture of the developing nation. Stuff like this is acceptable in Japan. But this content will most likely get its fair share of criticism this side.

Still, hopefully it won’t detract from a game that for all intents and purposes, looks characteristically crazy and fun.

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  • http://twitter.com/Lolita_za Yolanda Green

    Once again not something that can be judged as a whole, there are so many different factors to it and different degrees to which it gets used. At the end of the day it’s not what is being put in the game, but how it’s being put there (for the most part anyway).

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      If it truly drives the story then sure. By that I can then chose whether I want to play the game or not.

      It’s when it gets put in to games for no reason other than just to get kicks out of it… Then it’s not cool

      • Deon Steyn

        Yes.

      • http://twitter.com/Lolita_za Yolanda Green

        Can’t say that it really bothered me that much in games like Mass effect or The Witcher, even though my fiance and I were sitting right next to each other when the scenes occurred in both our games. Not like I was going to blame him or shout at him for it being there and vice verse. But yes, some games take it to extremes and that I am extremely uncomfortable with as a person.

  • Deon Steyn

    So it’s acceptable if a NPC swears like a pirate with tourettes, if you rip someone in half right down the middle in MK9 or if you clear out an airport of men,women and children in COD? Yes because of the rating the games gets.M for MATURE!

    Look at television and movies. I can’t remember an episode of Sparticus without nudity male or female. So why does games suffer?

    It’s because parents keep on buying little Timmy the latest games blatantly ignoring the age restriction and then hold gaming companies accountable when they fail as surrogate parents.

    • Rincethis: Spellalicious

      I agree. How come it is okay to have hectic violence, but not a bit of nip? That is rubbish.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Ah, but there is a fundamental difference.

        The game’s purpose is to be violent. Then as a consumer you can chose to buy it or not. Knowing it is a violent genre.

        BUT, when you are a person who doesn’t enjoy nudity or whatever in a game and suddenly your shoot-em-up has all this sexual stuff in it for no reason then you can get caught unawares or it spoils the game for you.

        If the game revolves around having such sexuality things as a plot driver and it’s important then sure. By all means. Make it. There are people that will buy it. But then at least people will have a choice.

        It comes down to the way it’s being done lately. It’s being forced on to gamers whether they like it or not.

        Am I making sense? I really do have a point I am trying to convey but finding it tough to get it out right….

        • Rincethis: Spellalicious

          So by THAT logic, I should be able to buy a game, that is violent, but has no reference to religion, swearing, or images of subjugation? Not possible I say, not possible! Sex and violence have gone hand in hand since the dawn of the stone attached to stick

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Ah! But you see that’s just it! Not all games revolve around religion or subjects of subjugation :)

            Sure they are used to drive plots in certain games. They are there for reasons when they are present. And THAT is ok because I am then aware of it and can choose not to buy it but to rather go for the game that has no religious overtones or whatever. I can choose my sub-genre within my genre as I please. Much the same as I can choose what action movies to watch. I will watch the exciting, blow stuff up, futuristic action movies, but not the cold-war action ones.

            It’s not that they have no place. Each topic has its place. Sexuality in games has its place and when used correctly can convey a great story.

            The difference is knowing what the general drive behind a game is can help me steer clear of things I don’t like.

            I don’t want sex or nudity in my games. So I steer clear of games that have the plot driven by such themes.

            It’s when I buy a game thinking “sweet, just my kind of game” and I get this one random sex scene in the middle I didn’t want that I go “Why was this even in here? Why waste all those hours of development for something that didn’t push the plot forward any better than a common handshake would have.”

            Understand where I’m going with this?

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            I see what you are saying. But have to add that if you buy a violent game it goes without saying that it is an adult game. Sexuality is an adult theme, to have a game that only focuses on violence seems to be counter-productive. It is then there ONLY to have violence and cannot then justify its own inclusion,without becoming a tad bit contrived. I don’t disagree that including sex for no other reason than to titillate people is rubbish, but to say that having it in a game, even as a minor plot device, is not needed is the same in my mind as saying you have to shot every single bad guy, which is normal in most games and gets very little attention…

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            But you see that’s the thing. If it’s a minor plot device, then rather alude to the fact that it happened. Kind of like a “Yeah I know what you did man!” Instead of showing it all.

            If it’s a major plot device that continues through the game then yeah. Go for gold.

            That way I can still play my games that I want without worrying about some random boobshot and the devs can then still have the “plot twist” or whatever without actually showing anything while those who want to see it all can go for the game that uses it as a major plot twist. That way everyone can have their cake and eat it too :) Scuse the play on words there :P

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            So should we do that with violence? Perhaps as the Greeks did in their plays, allow people to die off stage? :)

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            If it works for the game then yes. I am sure that if developed with that purpose in mind then I bet you someone can make it work.

            I guess what I am saying is, if it’s there for a purpose then go for it. But don’t do it just for the lols or whatever.

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            I just think that nearly every developer does that with violence, and too many people are okay with this violent act, but not with fucking, which although looks violent, is a far sweeter thing, than having a bullet rip through your eye… But that’s okay? Mmm, scratches head ;)

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            You assume too much :)

            I don’t enjoy overly violent games either :) I don’t need to see your spleen being ripped out or your eyeball fly offscreen as your head explodes. If I shoot something and it goes down with out any fanfare then I am happy. It doesn’t need to be overly violent.

            No one (or at least I) said gratuitous violence is ok either.

            you are basing your argument on the assumption that I am ok with bullets ripping through eyeballs. I am not :)

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            Okay, perhaps that was a bad example, I assume that nearly EVERYONE who plays games is okay with killing, doesn’t matter how gratuitous it is, it’s still killing. Having sex, or seeing a naked person is not as damaging as that, hence why I think it mundane to complain about a boob here or there. Just my opinion…

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            It comes down to my original point of, I am married, I don’t want or have the need to look at another naked woman. Real, imagined or rendered.

            So for me it’s not O.K to have random boobs being plopped on my screen. Hence why I’d rather them use it as main story driven reasons so that I will know that, that isn’t the game for me.

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            But not all of us are married ;)

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Hence why I said it should be used for specific reasons.

            Let me use a very wide, very different example.

            The meat labeling scandel.

            I don’t care if there is some pig or other random meat in my beef steak. It’s not going to harm me. But what about those whose religion says they can’t eat x or y meat? Or what if someone is allergic to a specific kind of meat and they didn’t know their beef has traces of it in?

            You see, just because I am ok with it doesn’t mean the whole world should also be.

            Same with games. Just because some are OK with gratuitous violence doesn’t mean that everyone must be. It’s why there are non-violent games made.

            Just because some are ok with nudity and sex in their games, doesn’t mean everyone should be.

            I think you believe I am saying none of this should be in games at all. That is not what I am saying.

            Have them in game, but have them for a purpose. Create a genre around it. or make it clear that it’s a driving point in the game. So that people have the choice.

            Games like the Witcher to me fall in a different genre of just simply RPG. To me it falls in to a more Adult-RPG. I have no issues with games like that. I won’t ever say they mustn’t exist. I can steer clear of them if I need to. But don’t put it in a game where it doesn’t belong

          • Admiral Chief Erwin

            Yes we all know you are single and cocked up the relationship in the hot tub. Moving on

            :P

            What LC is trying to say is that in can be in, but not in your face. You dig?

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            Firstly, bstd! secondly, if I buy an 18, I expect an 18. If you don’t want sex, or violence for that matter, but a game with a PG13 restriction :P What to Sir Rants may be acceptable nudity, will be to another a reason to email a senator, that is why there are restrictions for ADULT CONTENT, and not ‘taste’ specific content.

          • Admiral Chief Erwin

            Ok Mr Hot-Tub, settle down now. Have a cookie. Heck, take two! :P

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Hence why I say adult content has its place in games but needs to be made clear :)

            You and I are on the same page man. I’m simply saying most developers are doing it wrong :) Very few get it right like they did with the Witcher.

            Developers tend to think that it’s ok to throw anything in anywhere. Very few actually sit and think whether or not it has a place in the game they are making.

            Imagine if Batman had a random sex scene in it with catwoman or if Call Of Duty had to have a sex scene (Oh my hat how bad would that be! Hahaha. And every CoD after that would have the same scene just with a different backdrop).

            That’s what I am saying. Devs don’t think. They throw things in just because they can. At that moment it loses its entertainment value and becomes unimaginative.

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            I am with you on that. But to have it removed purely on taste opens a HUGE can of worms, as what you find tasteful will, inevitably, be found distasteful by another. That is why I think one can only label something as adult, 18 etc. But, yeah, on same page to that extent! :)

          • Admiral Chief Erwin

            Is your wife reading this so that you can score brownie points?

            :P

            I see, get, understand, and support your point, trolling aside.

        • Deon Steyn

          I get what you are saying 120% But if its in a game that you don’t think it’s gonna happen they need to put lables on the cover SNVLP and new ones to if necessary.

          300 was a movie about Persians being slaughtered but Leonidas says hello to the missus one last time before he is of to war. If they made a game exactly like that with all the appropriate warnings why would it still be a bad thing?

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            Agreed. People seem to think it’s okay to have major violence in a game, but that is okay because that is what you are expecting, but when you see a woman’s breast they complain? Fuck off, that makes NO sense :)

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Yeah, but it was integral to the story. Throughout the rest of the movie a lot of his actions were driven (or can be deduced were driven) by his feelings for her. It set up the character. It didn’t remove from the movie experience and it wasn’t put in there just for the hell of it. It set the tone for the whole movie.

            I am complaining about when it’s gratuitous and pointless that it shouldn’t be there. A sex scene for the hell of it hoping that it will sell more because someone wants to see boobs is pathetic and shows a lack of thought or creativity.

            Witcher is a great example of it being done right. The whole dynamic of that relationship is kind of set with the scenes and really propels the game in to a very adult, very deep kind of experience. It makes you realise this is more than a game. It’s a life story!

            The scene in FarCry3? Rather pointless to me and did nothing for the game experience except make me go “Ugh, really?”

          • Deon Steyn

            Yeah FC3 was kinda weird but after slicing up some more pirates I felt better. Another point I think is valid is that we are so desentized to violence that if nudity and sex was in games as long as its been possible for bloody head shots or fatalities it would not be such an big issue. Remember the ruckus MK1 caused.

            In the end I still think the SNVLP is necessary. If you saw SN on a FC3 games box art you would do some research before buying it.

    • Jonah Cash

      Always meant to buy Sparticus, you have now sold me on it…. Every Episode????

      • Deon Steyn

        Almost, definately every second episode. HBO at it’s best. Plus lots of bloody fights.

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    It’s a sign of just how out of touch developers have become with their consumers.

    Some people don’t mind. Yet others do. With things like this developers need to really be a little bit more sensitive to how they could make others uncomfortable.

    Some gamers are married and don’t want these kind of things in their games because they feel it’s wrong. Others find it removes from the gameplay and is used as a distraction from the main purpose of gaming.

    Other gamers don’t mind and are pretty much unphased.

    There’s no real answer here as to what is ok and what isn’t.

    My personal opinion? Sexuality has no place in games. That’s for real life. Just make my games fun

    • Admiral Chief Erwin

      Yes, I did not buy a porn “simulator”, I bought a shooter/pilot/driving “simulator”

      • Andre116

        “Porn Simulator”. Out on Kinect and PS move soon.

        • Rincethis: Spellalicious

          You said, OUT, hehe hehe hehe

          • Andre116

            Wonder if you’ll get points subtracted if it is out?

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    This

    • Sir Oldfart

      that :)

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        there

        • Admiral Chief Erwin

          Here

          • AndriyP

            Where?!?!?!?!

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Everywhere!

          • Admiral Chief Erwin

            Plus somewhere else

  • Rincethis: Spellalicious

    So… If that is the logic, you act out murdering people NOT in your games but in real life? :)

    • Admiral Chief Erwin

      Yes, beware, for I am coming for you! :P

      • Deon Steyn

        I play games not to murder people in real life so……………

        • Admiral Chief Erwin

          I can’t go all GTA on a taxi that cut me off, so I have to act it out jy sien

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            Fleshy urges apart, violent urges apart… EH? 0_o

          • Deon Steyn

            Hehe I meant i’m single. But taxis in GTA would be awesome

  • http://twitter.com/SaveTheQueenIX umar bastra

    As long as it serves a purpose, it is all good ..I Just hope it isn’t Farenheit sex scene bad

  • matthurstrsa

    Nudity is natural. Violence is not.

    Having said that, there are very few games where an actual sex scene is needed. You can elude to the fact that they’re going to have sex now, but why show it?

    • Rincethis: Spellalicious

      I agree with 50% of this statement! hahahaha

    • Deon Steyn

      That’s deep.

      • matthurstrsa

        That’s what she said.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          How long have you been waiting to use that on this article?

          • Rincethis: Spellalicious

            I think since the beginning! hahaha

          • matthurstrsa

            I have been forever waiting to use that in an article. Finally, I AM FREE! *runs off into the sunset*

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            *Roll end Credits*

          • Admiral Chief Erwin

            Well done man. Bucket list achievement COMPLETE!

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      Yes yes yes! Having the idea that you know what just happened when the screen faded to black is much more compelling than actually seeing the act.

      I don’t want to see pixels knocking eachother up man!

    • http://twitter.com/tauriqmoosa Tauriq Moosa

      Natural is a useless term, though, it doesn’t tell us anything. We’re as much a part of the “natural” world as plants and other animals. Secondly, even this is not true if you watch any hour of documentaries showing animal predation, cannibalism and rape. Violence does occur “in nature”.

      • matthurstrsa

        A good point. What I should’ve said is that as long as the sex is consensual and practised safely, no one gets hurt (or the point is not to hurt someone). Whereas with violence, you are purposefully trying to hurt someone.

  • http://twitter.com/Kikmi Slade Boender

    TABOOBOO hahahaha #win

  • Anon A Mouse

    Anything that drives a story or is truly essential for the gamer to be able to relate to the character is fine by me. But if something is added to the game just as an after thought or because the developer ran out of ideas then heck no. This goes for everything not just nudity and sex. I played Leisure Suit Larry even when I wasn’t supposed to (being far to young) but I played it for the laughs of him failing rather than the sex. Sure without the sex the game will not exist but if the developer decided he should go all violent on the poor woman afterwards will I still have enjoyed it? Don’t think so because that’s not what the game or story was about. The same with violent games, you know there will be violence but will sex be justified? Take Spec Ops: The Line for instance, lots of violence no place for sex. Compare that to sat Mass Effect, I feel sex and nudity will not have been just another add on since the story is about building relationships as well as killing everything in front of you, so for me it really do depend.

  • Sir Oldfart

    Nice to see Suda 51 has not giving up on us yet after we bombed his last game because the gun touting West thought it was sexist. CHAINSAW LOLLIPOP FOR THE WIN!!!

    • Wtf101

      Er… It is Lollipop Chainsaw

  • Cody

    Story is story games game.Its gonna has the stuff.I wants the stuff.Any stuff.I don’t give a rats ass why YOU play a game but if the game tells you it has sex or violence in it YOU FUCKING KNOW whats going to be in it and if you feel icky because the sex didn’t happen just the way you wanted it to go well then thats still your problem.It sucks that 1 your not psychic and 2 theres no fucking way anyone can ever know EXACTLY whats going to happen in a game before they play it unless they watch it happen.If a game is SIMPLY about banging i honestly don’t give a shit.Fuck i don’t give a shit if someone wants to play bonetown.Not my problem.Its no ones problem and i don’t want art or entertainment possibilities to be ruined by asshats.Sir rants a lot liew your ignoring something very important.Your acting like you own the fucking world and thats simply not true.

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