Microsoft: Resolution and Framerate aren’t key 
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Geoffrey Tim
November 7, 2013 at 12:00 pm

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Microsoft’s Xbox One is currently under fire for what’s been dubbed Resolutiongate. The Xbox One versions of multiplatform games run at lower resolutions than their PlayStation 4 counterparts. Heck, even some of the console’s biggest exclusive launch titles aren’t able to hit that sweet 1080p resolution. Microsoft says that stuff doesn’t really matter. It’s all about the games themselves.

Speaking to Rev3 Games (via Eurogamer), Microsoft’s Phil Spencer affirmed that games should be about more than framerates and resolutions; they should be about the actual games.

"If people want to get hung up on the numbers, they can do that, but really what they should be looking at is what’s on screen, with the controller in their hands, and play[ing] the game," he said "If they really care they can go play Forza at 1080p / 60 fps; a beautiful game. But games should be defined by more than their framerate and resolution. I think this is an industry about fun and people should put the controller in their hand – or gesture – and play the games and decide what they like. I think that’s the soul of what this industry’s about."

In principal, I completely agree with him. Games really are about more than how many pixels they’re made of. However, in this case it really does just smack of damage control, especially considering those same games perform better on Sony’s cheaper hardware. 

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  • ElimiNathan

    Just watched this new Forza launch trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YLcjfALaQh0 . Those gfx and game are enough to make me want an Xbone

    • NostalgicMossel

      Such beauty.
      Much pixels.
      Many bitrate.
      Wow.

  • Martin du preez

    ..

  • Lord Chaos

    If I think of all the memorable games that I’ll play over and over again, they’re the kind of games where gfx are ‘sub-par’. Elder Scrolls, Fallout and so forth.

    If it’s a short game then yea, gfx are important, but for true immersion, it’s more about the story than anything else.

  • Deano

    720p or 1080p if we enjoy the games who cares.
    Let the Sony fans miss out, what ever comforts them, we just want to play games.
    As long as you enjoy your purchase thats what its all about, heck what any other tom or dave says.

    • ToshZA

      Amen.

    • Hammersteyn

      December is coming…..

      • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

        Tears are coming! There’s going to be some salty xbots after November…

        • Hammersteyn

          Hehe

    • Kerrits

      It will always be about which platform has the games you want to play. But when the game is available on both why not get the best graphics / experience available?

    • Mark Treloar

      As long as exclusives exist so will the discord. I blame developers for selling out to the highest bidder.

    • iAmWeasel

      Wahaha.. the “its all about the games” mantra. It’s never JUST about the
      games.. anyone who says that is living in la-la land. Ever since I was 5
      years, I can’t count the number of times me and my buddies would
      reflect on a new game and go “ooh you should see the graphics in it!”

    • Shodan

      So what you are saying that if the exact same game runs @ 1080p @ 60fps on the ps4 you would rather play it on the Xbox One @ 720 @ 30fps???

      • Deano

        No what im saying is id rather prefer to play Forza 5 at 1080p than no forza and titanfall at 720p than no titanfall.

  • Gerhard Davids

    Sadly he has got a point, we are quick to btch about the Xbone not focusing on the games but we lose perspective as soon as FPS and Pixels come into play. http://i.imgur.com/Rs9kJ2D.jpg

    • Vampyre Squirrel

      Hahahaha! No Pixel!! Don’t Do IT!!!

    • Weerwolf

      That’s all good and well, but why then just not stay with current gen? What does next gen offer more than current gen… Better graphics. So if good graphics aren’t important, what is the point of the whole exercise? Also for the price you should have good games and good FPS and pixels.

      • Gerhard Davids

        Because current gen will phase out. Many are sticking with it till the next gen iteration 2 comes. We will move because that is where the new games will be. Wanting more pixels and lenz flares if fine. But nit picking between 100K preztels and 80K preztels is dom when you had 10K prezels before anyhow.

        Edit: On the price point. At the cost of sounding like a doos. Either wait for the dev’s to catch up or get a PC. What you SHOULD get for a price is defined by what’s available.

      • Weerwolf

        No I’ve got a PC. I have no intention of buying a console. I get what you’re saying with the 100k and 80k analogy. And I agree that the difference between the Xbone and the PS4 is probably insignificant. All I’m saying is graphics do matter. It is an important part of gaming whether you like it or not. Microsoft made a new console for the sole purpose of running better looking games. Not like the Xbone will suddenly have better games than the 360 gameplay wise. So to say that FPS and pixels don’t matter is bs. Then what’s the point of next gen?

  • ToshZA

    Damage control or not. He is right, and it’s something I’ve been saying for weeks. Just play the games dudes, that’s all there is to it.

    If you wanted superior graphics, you’d probably own a PC in any case.

    • Lord Chaos

      ^ This

      • Deano

        ^ That

        • NostalgicMossel

          ^ Those

          • SaintsRowNigri

            These

          • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

            C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker :P

          • Sageville

            Why do I never see wimmins wearing such apparel.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Because you haven’t been a bad, bad boy!

          • Sageville

            /Lifestyle change incomming!

          • Captain GUZ

            What an awesome necklace…

    • Kensei Seraph

      But but but exclusives :’(

      • Deano

        Either way you miss out on good games no matter what choice you make unless you own all platforms.

        • Kensei Seraph

          Give it a decade or two and all these games will be available on PC, one way or another.

      • ToshZA

        If exclusives were about graphics, you’d end up with PC being the only platform to have them.

    • e1ace

      I agree. Framerate and aesthetics are what matters when it comes to ‘graphics’.

    • Sageville

      Hmmm, but then why do most of us own widescreen full HD LED/Plasma TVs and monitors?

      What was wrong with the good ol’ Cathode Ray Tube? I mean the technology didn’t stop working…

      Using your logic everyone should just keep their big old box TVs and just be happy and enjoy the TV programs…

      • ToshZA

        That’s completely wrong. I’m not comparing next-gen to current-gen. I’m comparing PS4 to Xbox One. Nobody asked what the res difference in GTAV was between PS3 and Xbox 360. They played it, they loved it. What’s the bet there is a resolution difference between the 2?

        Anyways, 720p next-gen will look better then 480p current gen. It’ll look better than 720p current gen. It’ll even look better than 1080p current gen. Your point is moot already, by default. Progress happens.

        But between the PS4 and Xbone versions of the same game, people will love and play them and marvel at the awesome visuals. It won’t make a difference.

        • Sageville

          Nah, I read your argument as “Superior Graphics don’t matter, only the game matters”.

          From that I’m saying you are wrong.

          • ToshZA

            Then you’re completely mistaken, still.

            Resolution is not superior graphics.

            They will LOOK the same on both consoles. If nobody had said anything about the numbers, you wouldn’t notice the difference. They will BOTH have superior graphics compared to current gen.

            If I had said superior graphics don’t matter between the consoles, I’d expect to be flamed. But this argument above is only about the 2 consoles. It’s already proven that PC’s outstrip both consoles in terms of graphical grunt. That’s why I added that comment at the end. If graphics matter so much to you, buy a PC if you don’t already have one. Its the one universal thing that PC gamers always brag about, their superior graphics.

            Graphics is not about resolution, its about EVERYTHING. The WHOLE PACKAGE. PC’s have MORE AA, more AF, MORE EVERYTHING. NOT JUST RESOLUTION. That is common knowledge, how did you jump to your conclusion?

            Regardless of that battle, PC vs Console, progress happens. And I’m all for it. Next-gen is progress. So yeah, you’re clutching at straws here mate.

          • Sageville

            Nah bru, i’m not going to waste time arguing about nomenclature. You’ve explained your comment from that I understand what you were trying to say now, But I read your original comment differently to how you intended and I stated this. If you then AGAIN feel the need to get up in my grill about it and make patronizing assumptions bout me, fair enough. I can still take it.

  • oVg

    All good and dandy not being hung up on the numbers but when I pick between two identical sports cars I am going to choose the one with the better paint job.

    • Deano

      They not identical or sports cars.
      They are game machines and both have awesome games!

      • oVg
        • RinceandRepeat

          HAHJAHAH! Nice one man :)

      • ToshZA

        And they have different features. It’s like choosing a Ferrari vs a Lamborghini. They’re both super cars, but they’re very different. You don’t choose based on the paint job. @disqus_CmSOeB7F9d:disqus

        • oVg

          A Lambo with a rectangle black spoiler on the roof and the eye of MORDOR painted in the middle. Fuck that.

          • ToshZA

            And yet its so much more badass than a Ferrari. You buy them for different reasons. Lambo = BADASS. Ferrari = Smooth, also, player.

          • oVg

            True. But the Ferrari gives me the option of having a spoiler on the roof or not.

          • ToshZA

            And yet its so common. Every billionaire has a Ferrari (or 5). I’d want a Lambo, because people wouldn’t call me “rich boy”, they’d just wet their pants.

          • oVg

            Wii their pants

          • ToshZA

            Ag, Wii U too man!

      • oVg

        I am resting my decision on the better version of The Witcher 3.
        I bet you a muffin that it is the PC version.

  • Martin du preez
    • Deano

      Dont remember titanfall looking that bad….

      • ToshZA

        That’s probably because it didn’t.

      • Martin du preez
      • oVg

        Titanfall lololol HOW OVERATED?
        That shit is going to need more patches than Sgt Soaps kneecaps

        TITANFAIL

        • ToshZA

          You mean like CoD, Battlefield, GTAV, and pretty much every game released these days? Way to argue. :P

          • RinceandRepeat

            And yet OVG doesn’t need to patch as he rarely plays online ;)

          • ToshZA

            CoD REQUIRES that 2GB patch before you can play. Beat that?

          • RinceandRepeat

            I can beat that, He wouldn’t touch that shit with my torn off arm! Haha! :) I think he’s disillusioned at the moment with all this patch day one crap. He doesn’t have internet as he like to play single player.

          • ToshZA

            Steam DRM? Yeah, it’s kind of a bummer.

          • RinceandRepeat

            Eh? He’s on Xbox, the only steam you see around him is his rage ;)

          • ToshZA

            Ah, then fair play. I also own an Xbox, and don’t EVER go online with that.

          • RinceandRepeat

            He comes over to mine most weekends and we jam GTAV sometimes. But other than that, always offline for him.

    • Hammersteyn

      Lol ouch

    • RinceandRepeat

      I love this SO frigging much :)

  • fred

    Shame man , just let it go already.

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    Of course he says that. And if Sony was the one being nailed for lower resolutions, he’d be saying the opposite.

  • Hammersteyn

    PC is laughing at the consoles struggle in regards to graphics and all this is damage control to and already bruised contender. Talk as much as you want Phil. Ps4 is gonna be under my Christmas tree and it’s gonna be cheaper than your americanized console as well.

  • http://www.youtube.com/themaxiviper117 Maxiviper117

    Then if everybody is saying its just about the games and not about Res or FPS then WHY make a new console, WHY want a new console, why dont they just make a new version of the Xbox 360 and PS3 thats slighly more powerful, with x84 architecture and refined and sell them for a cheaper more affordable 399 and 299 respectively. Cuz its all about the damn games, who gives a shit about more power, 8Gb ram is too much, 8 cores is overkill, cuz its all about the games RIGHT?

    • Mabenito

      ….. and the PC race must shut’e hell up too. If it wasn’t about graphics.

  • Devourer of Small Bunnies

    Set.rantMeltdown=(1;0).on

    OH MY FUCKING WORD YOU ARE KIDDING ME??? The whole of next gen was marketed like a Doge/Shibe meme. ALL THE HD. MUCH OF RESOLUSHUN. WOW. BIG EYE CAMERA. TOO MUCH GAME…. Now its not the point?

    FUCK RIGHT OFF.

    Set.rantMeltdown=(-0).off

    • oVg

      But think of the clouds.

    • RinceandRepeat

      Spoken, like a boss.

    • RinceandRepeat

      Dude what about the 300,000,000,000 cloud servers! They are going to offer to much computational power you’ll have the option of working a 40 hour week by the time your coffee is done!

      • Devourer of Small Bunnies

        that was the marketing hype for Pentium 2.

  • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

    I agree with most people here, why care about resolution or pixels or which platform is better. We should actually focus on the games themselves… What use is all this if a game only keeps you busy for 4-8 hours? I miss those days where you could spend hours at end playing a game and all that mattered was the story and playability.

    Games these days are so dumbed down and they only focus on the looks… Kinda like jocks, is this where the industry is going to? Aspiring to be like jocks? :O

    • ToshZA

      CoD. Yes.

      • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

        It’s not just CoD… Assasin’s Creed is also kinda Dumbed down when it comes to playing it. One button to do everything and then you have those battle things in other games in where you need to press certain buttons in order to win. Auto aim assist in most games(yes even PC sometimes have that option).

        You do get those epic games from time to time where you sit back and you are amazed, but then they are so short that you are left wanting

        • ToshZA

          Isn’t that just a bummer hey, you JUST get into the game and BAM! CREDITS! THANKS FOR PLAYING NAB! Yeah, I totally get you.

    • http://www.youtube.com/themaxiviper117 Maxiviper117

      Then whats the point of making the next gen consoles so expensive and overly powerfull

      Why not make Xbox 360 2.0 and PS3 2.0 instead. all about the games right.

      • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

        I think it’s to show off their impressive gaming engines… All I want is a proper challenge again, a game that you actually need to think about and struggle your ass off to finish.

        • http://www.youtube.com/themaxiviper117 Maxiviper117

          Then whats the point in buying next gen for u
          They still gonna make cross gen games for at least a little while.

          • ToshZA

            Bragging rights. The same reason the 2 manufacturers are duking it out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/themaxiviper117 Maxiviper117

            Its not bragging rights cuz its all about the GAMES Right,….Right?

            Who cares about platform, Games right?……Right??

          • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

            Well, that’s just it. I am not really all that exited about next gen, I’m not even that excited about gaming anymore. There are a few new titles that have captured my attention, but I know in the end they will be shortly lived.

            I think I just miss the good old days

          • ToshZA

            The Indie scene really has some gems man. Take a look, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

          • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

            One of my friends are really into Indies and I have seen some of the games he has played. That is the only reason why I want to get a new PC so that I can start playing those.

    • Matthew Holliday

      wait for next gen to get established.
      its just been released, obviously all the devs will want to be like “ermagurd perty graffics”
      each dev wants to push the engine early, so they know their limits and dont end up sounding like that Molyneux guy when talking about their upcoming games.

      sophistication comes later.

  • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    REsolution isn’t too critical. But framerate is.

    I’m sorry but I can see the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS.

    To me 30FPS looks like it’s “hitching” and isn’t as smooth. Whereas 60FPS looks smooth and more fluid. Am I the only one that can tell the difference?

    • NostalgicMossel

      Wait till you see the difference between 60fps and 120fps! Your eyes will melt with smoothness.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        I’ve only got a 60hz TV so it can’t show 120 in its true form :(

    • ToshZA

      Its only important for FPS games where you play competitively. Otherwise, no, it really doesn’t matter. I’d rather play Witcher at 30fps with epic gfx than at 60fps with almost epic gfx. it WILL look better.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Really? I find driving games give me headaches at anything less than 60FPS. Also it is frustrating as cars shouldn’t hitch. It must look smoooooooooth as silk

        • ToshZA

          I don’t know, it’s never mattered to me. I play more NFS than say GT, I don’t care for the sims, I want heart pumping action. And at 30fps vs 60fps, it makes about 0 difference. Maybe less.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            Guess to each there own. I dunno. To me it looks hitchy hey

          • ToshZA

            When you start hitting 20fps, its bad. But 30+ is cinematic. It’s perfectly fine for me. I don’t care for more – unless I’m playing competitively, and more so in FPS.

      • Matthew Holliday

        i watched a friend play dota at 30fps
        and suddenly, i understood why he was so bad.

        • ToshZA

          Yeah, DOTA is a competitive game, so it does matter there. A lot. But for an RPG or general single player stuff? Meh.

          • Matthew Holliday

            dont need, do want.
            dont need an xbone, but i do want it. (actually pc masterace, but not the point)
            and i want it to do 1080p @ 60fps

          • ToshZA

            And it will. But it won’t make a difference if its 60fps at 720p or 1080p, but it’ll always be 60fps. That’s the issue for you right?

    • Matthew Holliday

      With my pc, if i hit 30fps on anything, i get an itchy credit card finger.
      since bf4 and CoD Ghosts have come out, the amount of effort ive put into restraining my credit card finger, is immense.

      so remind me, microsoft, how 30fps is satisfactory.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Exactly. In fact, my minimum FPS is about 45FPS. Below that I really see a differance

  • CypherGate

    How about we stop the resolution debates/excuses and just admit that the next gen consoles should run all games either 1080p at 30fps or 1080p at 60fps. We waited literally YEARS for the new consoles and after all this time we getting all these excuses. Now im not finicky about resolutions, but if i must look at the amount of years we waited then surely this shouldnt have been such an issue because in reality plenty of gamers out there expected 1080p 30fps/60fps.

    • Deano

      if you can spot lots of jaggies then yeah agreed, if it upscales 720p and it looks amazing then im not ganna sit staring at the screen looking for problems.

      If your doing that your not a gamer.

      • CypherGate

        I dont do that, but just simply saying that there are plenty gamers that expected nothing less after waiting so long for the next gen consoles. Im perfectly happy with Ryse being 900p because it just simply looks great. Hell if it was even 720p it wouldnt be an issue as long as it looks great as you say.

  • NostalgicMossel

    Im gonna go out and purchase myself a new gpu. And I will sell my old one to subsidise the cost. I will then be able to play all next gen games for the next 3-5 years on 1080p with a total cost of R1500 (depending on how much I sell my old card for). Boom.

    • ToshZA

      Destiny says hi.

      • NostalgicMossel

        You win this time ToshZA!

  • RinceandRepeat

    Where is Admiral! He has something for Foxhound!

    • FoxOneZA

      He delivered it earlier;)

      • RinceandRepeat

        Damn, was a good one :)

  • Kromas

    Who else here is thinking that the steam machine has got all this crap sorted cause it is just a PC with a controller? :P

    • FoxOneZA

      The prototype box looks gorgeous. It’s a work of nerdvana that they’ve fitted the GTX Titan in such a small box. Who said consoles can’t be modular?

      • Kromas

        Sony and MS apparently. :P

  • Gr8_Balls_o_Fire

    Well that was rather arrogant.. Kind of like the “If you don’t like always online, go play xbox360″ thing. Also they couldn’t not put the “gesture” word in there. Kinasst 2.00

  • DarthofZA

    The problem is Mr. Sir, when you can play the exact same game, with the exact same gameplay experience, on two different consoles, then the difference in framerate and resolution DO matter.

  • FoxOneZA

    720p looks muddy on 46″+ displays. Seriously, stop hogging onto 720p GFX before mobile moves past your console. Wait as 4K and 21:9 will become the norm through this gen.

  • Xexo

    Pixels are important….

  • Mark Treloar

    Microsoft’s comments are laughable when you consider one of the selling points from Forza’s trailer is “Impossibly Realistic Graphics”

  • Matthew Holliday

    I love it when companies tell us what they should be defined by.
    i love it when they tell us that things we find important “dont matter”
    i love it when they listen to us, then are like “lets do something else.”

  • InsanityFlea

    * if you play minecraft.

  • Devourer of Small Bunnies

    Have we had a resolution FF yet? Not that I think it’ll do well in the comments

  • JHN

    What he is saying is completely true, but still as you say im paying more for the X1 so i expect it to perform as well if not better than its rival.

  • Mabenito

    Does this still mater?

  • Brady miaau

    well, they would, wouldn’t they?

    I say similar things, but I am ALLOWED to. They should not.

  • Brian Murphy

    I would say that resolution doesn’t always make the difference between whether a game is quality or not, however, I would say that making excuses for not reaching resolution benchmarks that were set 7 years ago, is beyond damage control. It’s trying to make excuses for a very very poor showing.

    Additionally, I can only imagine that if the tables were reversed, Microsoft would be doing the exact same thing Sony is, with regards to championing performance. Much like…you know, Microsoft did during the 360/PS3 early years. So, let’s not act like Microsoft’s shit doesn’t stink when they’re in the drivers seat.

    Make all the excuses you want, fanboys, Microsoft, writers etc… but the fact is, 1080p was easily possible with ~7800 series GPU’s, with 2g of RAM. Why this isn’t possible on a GPU/RAM/CPU combo lightyears ahead of that is simply making excuses.