Breaking: The MSSA is no longer affiliated with SASCOC

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We’ve received word, and subsequently confirmed with SASCOC that Mind Sports South Africa is no longer affiliated with the organisation. Story developing. While we wait, here are some inferences that can be made as we await more news:

The MSSA is no longer allowed to award national or provincial colours – we are awaiting news about which bodies will receive this authorization. The MSSA is no longer the official eSports body in the country – anyone can compete in international tournaments without the MSSA holding any authority over team names, though there may still be legal hurdles regarding the use of the Flag, and official South African representation.

We spoke to the office of SASCOC’s Patience Shikwambana, and while she was not available herself, SASCOC’s Liaison Officer informed us that “MSSA are no longer connected to SASCOC.” They are unable to confirm anything further via telephone, and have asked us to fire of a mail, which we have done. We await their response. We have similarly heard the same from another government source. We have also contacted the MSSA, and were told to call back later.

Speaking to some affiliated members, we have been told that the MSSA has not informed their members of this change as of yet. Knowledge of these changes of course prompted them to ask a very pertinent question:

“So what is the point of membership?”

We are awaiting further news about why this connection was severed and will be reporting on that as we know more.

[Update]
MSSA insiders have informed us that the MSSA is saying this is all a misunderstanding. They are claiming that they still have SASCOC affiliation, but that there are issues surrounding the indigenous games (e.g. Moraboraba) because those clubs are unable to submit clean books. MyGaming is reporting that SASCOC CEO says the MSSA is suspended pending a hearing and that processes were underway. MSSA General Secretary, Colin Webster replied that this is a “knee-jerk” reaction from SASCOC in response to a number of complaints.

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  • SP Van Zyl

    Great News!…?

    • Mossel

      Jirre SP. Welkom in die gemeenskap!

      • SP Van Zyl

        Bra, eks al lankal hier. Ek comment net nie op alles nie.

        • Mossel

          Lekker man, lekker.

  • Ottokie

    From what I understand, this means they are not allowed to give out SA colours anymore. But I might be wrong 😛

  • https://twitter.com/andreferhelst Aries

    What if this is just a trick to give us hope

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      We phoned SASCOC directly, so it’s quite a serious trick if it is

      • Hondsepop

        Gavin, is that a smile I see on your face.

        • Spathi

          You took too long to ask the question, Gavin is already drinking himself into a stupor!

          • Ottokie

            ‘n knertsie hanepoot

          • Spathi

            …vir voorgereg en ‘n kakhuis vol bier vir hoofgereg!

        • Rince&pop

          He would never. He’s not petty or vindictive like that…

  • Brett Gunter

    Brilliant! Such a pity though that this didn’t happen a few days ago before the ESL grand finals 😉

  • Milesh Bhana

    sasCOC.. does this mean we’ll also not allow girls in our teams?

    • Congo

      2/10 for effort

  • MakeItLegal

    Karma

  • Kensei Seraph

    Depending on who replaces them this could be either good news or amazing news.

    • Hammersteyn

      Can’t see that it being worse.

      • Kensei Seraph

        Exactly.

        • Greylingad

          Agreed! From here it can only get better!

      • Weanerdog

        Yip pretty sure Stalin is dead

        • Hammersteyn

          LOL

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Today. Is the greatest day

  • Consumer of Little Rabbits

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    *breathes*
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Well now thats over. Without their government affiliated back leg to stand on maybe we can see some real change in the esports scene nationally. These fucking clowns have made nothing but a mess but now there support is waning, it should open the doors for a new entity to grab up stakes and push things forward.

    Only question though, is who?

    • Rince&pop

      Me!

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        Seconded

        • Rince&pop

          Hey man. The ladz are going to meet up at the River Club on the 19th if you are keen? Don’t know if I have your email

    • ToshZA

      *their

      • Consumer of Little Rabbits

        Oh sorry let me quickly go kill myself for the sake of humanity

        • ToshZA

          Would you mind? That’d be really rather smashing of you.

          xD

  • Anon A Mouse

    You guys always only see the doom and gloom. MSSA has just outgrown SASCOC and will now form a partnership with leSF to take over the world of eSports. The will be able to give World Colours and tell everyone what they may and may not play as well as what each team must be called.

    • Consumer of Little Rabbits

      They are an abhorrent organisation which lends its ethics based on those of the 1960’s. Undeniable gender bias on all accounts and the harpooning of local talent on a daily basis. They are a scourge on the face of local esports. I highly doubt after government ties are severed, for what ever reason, they will have ANY credibility to afford to award such prestiges on the levels your are talking about

    • Hammersteyn

      Membership will now be R5000 not R500

    • Kensei Seraph

      Sweet, a chance to use one of the new gifs I’ve collected.
      http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/710/422/b50.gif

  • Hammersteyn
    • Kensei Seraph
    • Anon A Mouse

      Love the high five, no wait fist pump, NO BRO HUG in the bottom right.

    • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or
      • Hondsepop

        It’s one of those, you get one, she get one, you all get one, just look under your chairs moments from Oprah, isn’t it.

        • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

          Well that or male strip club.

        • Anon A Mouse

          Nope, the woman in red just told the audience she’s not pregnant with the dude in the peach shirt’s love child.

        • Grant [_G_] Hancock

          They all just found out that Justin Bieber is NOT the baby they gave up for adoption !

      • Ottokie

        This is probably how a public steam sale would look like if it was not digitally sold…

  • Hondsepop

    Wonder how it will affect sponsorship.

    • Unavengedavo

      Was wondering the same. How long before Mweb also pulls out?

  • http://www.mediamachine.co.za James Anderton

    YES! Fkin finally..

  • Kensei Seraph

    Cheers MSSA, I hope you enjoyed the ride.
    http://i.imgur.com/N4QtBsG.gif

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Upvote for showing how we all feel

    • Skyblue

      DISCLAIMER: “Oh, I’m sorry, I… I didn’t know how this machine worked.”

    • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

      Please remind me of the movie name

      • Kensei Seraph

        Guardians of the Galaxy.

        • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

          Tx.

          I am handing in my geek badge for that by the way…. Yeah…. I realised afterwards what I had just asked and then remembered the name. I was ashamed that I could have forgotten. In my defense I never read the comics….

  • Greylingad

    Celebrations ahoY! Let’s hope for the best!

  • http://www.pornhub.com Doug

    Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Rince&pop

    So much win!

    • Hammersteyn

      But I wonder what will happen to Mr…..

      • Rince&pop

        &*^*&^*&^*&^*&^V? He who should not be named?

        • Hammersteyn

          Indeed

  • ToshZA
  • Robert Hart

    I wouldn’t celebrate just yet. They could potentially be replaced with an MSSA spin-off.

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      The King is dead. Long Live the King.

      • Ottokie

        Long live the King!

  • Rince&pop

    Wow, I go to a meeting on Climate Change, come back, and indeed, the climate has changed.

  • Zirax

    Lets just say forces working in the background :)

    • Rince&pop

      I assume you mean Jedi forces of goodness? :)

      • ToshZA

        Darth Vader did eventually bring balance to the force.

  • Wonga

    AMANDLA MALEMA bringing justice to the country.

    • Kensei Seraph

      I’m curious of what part Malema had to play in this?
      Please elaborate.

      • Hammersteyn

        The good part……… no wait.

      • Wonga

        For inspiring the forces of change in parliament. Making ANC see they are not invincible. And den, by analogy people rise up against MSSA who in turn realise they are not invincible.

        But there was nothing in my original comment implying causation between these events; thank you for validating my belief that there was.

        • Kensei Seraph

          So first you change your name then you read implications in my comment that are not there?

          • Rince&pop

            Wowza.

          • Wonga

            I like to change my name. It makes me happy. Much like the reason anyone uses aliases on the internet at all.

            And yes, implications are meant to read into things that are not there. For example, your assumption that Malema was related to this at all. To which I did answer :)

            vote eff

          • Spaffy

            Say what? Your comment reads: “AMANDLA MALEMA”
            I’d say it was a fair assumption on his part to assume you meant Malema had something to do with this. But hey, that’s just me.

            Vote DA

          • Wonga

            DA? ok that explains everything :)

          • Spaffy

            Lol just like your eff comment did. 😛

        • Spaffy

          I don’t see how his comment validated anything, except perhaps his curiosity.

  • Rince&pop

    So hang on, does this mean we have to return our T-Shirts? 😛

    • Hammersteyn

      Oh snap XD

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      I;’m actually emailing my lawyer to ask… well about that and other things

      • Rince&pop

        You back the hell off. I am not returning my tent to NO ONE!

        • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

          They first need to get an eviction notice from the high court in any case.

          • Rince&pop

            Nice :)

      • Hammersteyn

        If all is well you should sell tshirts to celebrate :)

        • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

          They should maybe first ship T-shirt orders still outstanding.

          • Hammersteyn

            What? Really?

          • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

            All our orders shipped ages ago?

            I’ve got one left that the guy was meant to collect and hasn’t.. I need to remind him

          • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

            Still waiting for a normal Lazygamer T-shirt ordered the same time as the Bacon one. Apparently there was supply issues.

          • Admiral Chief Fairburne

            Is that me?

    • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

      They first have to find me in mine

      • Rince&pop

        You too? I took an arrow to the knee, so used my tshirt as a sail…

  • Guild

    Now that’s great news. About time they were removed. Looking forward to further details and what MSSA response will be

  • Lardus-Resident Perve

    If I did not have to work a full-time job, I would take over MSSA (or their replacement) and make it the bestest in the world! All teams to feature minimum 1 beard – even the female teams! Bos-mossels count.

    • Anon A Mouse

      And a Nana, then all will be well with the world.

  • Anon A Mouse

    Completely unrelated but why isn’t there a bio for Martha? Sandy’s is brilliant.

    • Mossel

      Seconded. I need to know what I’m dealing with.

      • grammarnazi

        *I need to know with what I’m dealing.

        dnt end ur sentences in prepositions

        • Kensei Seraph

          *Don’t end your sentences in prepositions.

          If you’re going to correct someone’s grammar at least try to use correct grammar yourself.

          • grammarnazi

            Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen; now there are more grammar nazis!

        • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

          While yes, “with” is indeed a preposition, in that context it is being used as an adverb.

          We’re going to have a beer. Would you like to come with?

          • Kensei Seraph

            Careful, getting beers with Wonga could end up being… interesting.
            You have to interact with 4 different people.

          • grammarnazi

            In 18 senses of the word, “with” is never an adverb. “Deal with” can arguably function as a transitive verb itself, but the sentence lacks an object.

            Even Rothbert from Barbie knew to phrase it correctly, when he ased the swangirl if she knew with whom she’s dealing. I’m going to watch it now; would you like to come along?

        • Mossel

          *Don’t
          *your

        • Hondsepop

          *.

    • http://www.twitter.com/WobblyOnion Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      I’ll get on that right away. :)

    • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

      Martha?

      Rather Marta, Maria or Madalena

  • Ebinski

    Whoop whoop….

  • Ebinski

    party time

  • Maria

    Wot you must realise is that eSports is not a fraction of what MSSA is about, hence why the hordes of dota trolls pestering them weren’t taken seriously. So the reason the tether broke is more likely due to some legal issue, like contravening the Gambling Act (:D) or soliciting minors. But this hardly changes anything, key agenda of the “viable alternative” was to bring MSSA down.

    This news is simply a message of troll victory for all the MSSA haters.

    • Tarisma

      Some one is clearly upset…

      • Maria

        And someone (no, two) clearly have mature responses. Just read all the replies so far and you will understand my last sentence.

        Yet T1NY-WP, you don’t even know the facts of the situation but feel glorified in knowing your “enemy” has been removed. Clearly it shows what kind of person you are. What’s that word, schadenfreude

        move on

        • Rags

          Its a victory indeed. MSSA was a fucking joke.

        • Grant [_G_] Hancock

    • T1NY-WP

      Do you need a tissue?

      Who cares? The MSSA was a disgusting excuse for a Governing Body and finally, their past caught up with them.

    • Kensei Seraph

      Wow you really like changing your name don’t you Wonga?
      First Wonga, then Ebinski and then grammarnazi.

      • Ebinski

        Lol no dude, I have no idea what you are talking about?

        • Kensei Seraph

          Wow, back to Ebinski.

          If you change names, Disqus doesn’t update the names on the other peoples computers until they refresh or reopen the page.

          • Ebinski

            Dude I commented as a guest on this site, I don’t know the other people you mentioned. But I will go and create an Disqus account so that you can get your panties out of your arse.

          • Kensei Seraph

            Yes, I believe you.
            (refresh for image.)

          • Hammersteyn

            XD

          • Ebinski

            I’m too easy :)

          • Ebinski

            You happy now?

      • http://www.pornhub.com Doug

        Colin?

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          I’ve checked, it isn’t

          • http://www.pornhub.com Doug

            Lol on top of things today Gav

          • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

            avoiding getting sued… again

    • Spaffy

      Soliciting minors haha

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      “like contravening the Gambling Act (:D) or soliciting minors.” soliciting what now…

      • Maria

        Was just speculating, in a more diverse way than you do, but if Colin admits he can’t take fees because it falls under the Gambling act, it’s fair to imagine he can’t negotiate with people under 18. Like the new laws regarding flying overseas, if you read MSSA facebook page.

        perhaps solicit was the wrong word

    • Hammersteyn
      • maria

        too easy

        • Hammersteyn

          Thanks, you make it easy

      • Rince&pop

        HAHA! Why am I only seeing all these now, fucking meetings…

        • Hammersteyn

          XD

    • Georgie Chrono

      Colin please, less fake names, more explinations

      • Kensei Seraph

        Dude, you can’t say that.
        What if he/she is someone named Fred or Jill or something else?

        • Georgie Chrono

          Fred or Jill hahahaha , colin has a thing for fake names and accounts 😉

      • Maria

        No problem pasta, what would you like to be explained? Although there are things I leave open for discussion.

        What I can explain is the ad hominem fallacy, an invalid argument that criticizes a statement based on who said it rather than what it says. Since it’s far easier to discredit Maria than what she says.

        • ThisIsBullShlt

          … from Maria. You’re either a (unskilled) troll or the worst shill in existence for speaking in the 3rd person. And on your point, there is a body of evidence for abuse and then just you claiming that “we don’t know the truth of what happened.”
          So yeah… rekt.

          • Maria

            There was a point behind using 3rd person there, but if you missed it I might as well not even try. Also for not reading and pulling things out of context – I meant we don’t know [yet] what happened to cause the alleged dismissal of MSSA. The only “fact” thrown at this party was a SASCOC phone call saying MSSA is no longer connected with them.

            But please, cite all these instances of “abuse”.

          • Kensei Seraph

            Wonga is having trouble keeping track of exactly which username he/she is using at any one time, hence the third person usage.

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/scavengefightbuild Gerhard Davids

    Awesome news, now let’s find out where we can get permission for our Barbarians to use the flag.

  • Svarupa Singh

    Awesome news!

  • Rags

    Maybe a bit early to celebrate, but its hard to imagine a replacement if there is going to be one, be any worse. So, woop woop.

    Also LMAO@Colin Webster

  • woola

    lol all those wargames and morabara players going to have their jackets and colours taken away :(

    • Kensei Seraph

      That’s an interesting thought.
      What does happen to those who have been awarded colours?

      • Spaffy

        If they were any good to begin with, surely they would be able to get their colors with whoever takes over.

        • Kensei Seraph

          True.

          • woola

            Having the monopoly for 50 years, don’t think there’s anyone willing to take over (board games at least). Some people just above university level, perhaps

    • Kensei Seraph

      And now to woola…
      (refresh for image and username)

  • Lardus-Resident Perve

    Watch this article get the most comments this week!

    • Ebinski

      the most trolls, memes and flames too

      • Ebinski

        Dude dont use my F-king alias!

        • Ebinski

          y?

  • neilhza

    So scared I’m going to wake up.

  • Makes

    Sounds like a April Fools joke

  • Spaffy

    So who will replace them?

    • Rags

      Matatheni Mosotho. 😛

      • Spaffy

        Out of the frying pan…

  • Admiral Chief Fairburne

    So, I go out for a lekker lunch away from the office, and this great news hits?

    I should leave the office moar often it seems

  • frikkenator

    Fanfriggintastic! I can’t help but think that lazy gamer with their overly positive and supportive articles about MSSA has helped put a stop this gravy train power trip!

    • woola

      power of the press

  • Rock789

    That is all…

  • neilhza

    Steady on, based on http://mygaming.co.za/news/news/66607-mssa-suspended-from-sascoc.html if MSSA and Sascoc reach an agreement in their hearing (ie MSSA apologises) then it sounds like they’ll resume.

    • Kensei Seraph

      Interesting.

    • woola

      yay, a credible article. and one that doesnt make it seem “the forces at work” had anything to do with it

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      we linked to their article in our update..

      There are currently three stories doing the rounds, we are waiting on the official announcement to be sent by SASCOC.

      But SASCOC doesn’t just suspend people with no cause. Remember that is purely Colin’s statement.

      We will keep updating as news comes out

      • neilhza

        If the suspension becomes final, I will walk down to http://www.rebellionbeer.co.uk/ and demand they name next month’s beer the Lazygamer.

        • Kensei Seraph

          I’d drink to that, and I don’t even like beer.

        • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

          This needs to happen

  • Ottokie

    “Colin Webster replied that this is a “knee-jerk” reaction from SASCOC in response to a number of complaints.”

    You don’t need a knee-jerk, you need an uppercut…

  • HvR – Still dislikes Random.or

    From the MyGaming article “Sascoc president Gideon Sam noted that the MSSA was asked to make an appearance before the Sascoc council to answer for undisclosed accusations made against Sascoc leadership.”

    Will actually be sad if this is the case, so they mismanage and make a joke of the sport all they want as long as they do not insult the big bosses.

    • Hamer

      Agree; but sadly that is pretty much the case at most places in SA. Government, workplace, school – only crossing the line when you go for your superiors

      (To be fair I think MSSA were only unfit to handle eSports, they were fine with board games)

      • Brady miaau

        What about chesss, Bridge and Go? All separate and Chess is big

        • Hamer

          They don’t do chess. Technically it’s a board game but so big it’s managed by CHESSA. The MSSA does things like backgammon, checkers and cup stacking (lol).

          • Brady miaau

            I play chess on occasion. Dedicated, passionate people run in a professional manner.

  • JHN

    This is pretty awsum news would be nice if they got an organisation who actually helped grow the local scene, instead of eating all the donuts.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      Competitive eating is the domain of Mouth Sports South Africa.

      • http://www.pornhub.com Doug

        Same thing ‘coz its all I see from them.

  • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

    What I don’t understand is why would SASCOC suspend an entire association just because the General Secretary said something they didn’t like… that doesn’t make sense.

    • Rince&pop

      Yeah. It’s not like he’s the President of the association or anything 0-O

      • Norm

        BOOM!

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        Maybe there’s someone in the background pulling the strings?

        • Rince&pop

          That would be, pistorius, I mean, preposterous. .

  • Zenoxtale

    Good!

  • Johann Coetzee

    Sooo I asked the man himself…….

  • Weanerdog

    Knee jerk, looks like a righteous kick up the arse.

  • Johan du Preez

    Karma is a bitch!

  • Tiaan Brink

    Afrikaans people. Afrikaans people everywhere.

    • Johan du Preez

      and your point is ?

      • Tiaan Brink

        Afrikaans people. Afrikaans people everywhere.

  • neilhza

    Saw this on mygaming and had to chuckle. Meanwhile at MSSA HQ http://i.imgur.com/9mMGH96.gif

  • Daniel van Flymen

    So apparently we weren’t allowed to say that DC represented SA when we went to the World Cyber Games because we refused to join the MSSA… that can’t be true?

  • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

    Sasquach urrrr I mean SASCOC has finally realised that the MSSA has so far done nothing good for their image in eSports

  • http://myanimelist.net/profile/ghostR_ZA ghostR

    I think its time to build a proper eSports system in South Africa.

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  • http://www.pornhub.com Doug

    Anything new on this for today. Please make my Friday even better

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  • http://www.youtube.com/channel/ArchzionGaming Archzion

    Hmm seems like there could be a kinkel in the kabel

    • neilhza

      Ok, so the organisation that insists on bringing this sport under government control is now moaning about politics?

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  • Nick Wilkins

    Does anyone have any clarification on what “clean books” means?

    Are the MSSA’s financials in a bit of a muck or am I reading to much into it?

    • http://www.lazygamer.net Gavin Mannion

      The clean books rumour is nothing more than just a rumour that we have been told by one person and it isn’t for the entire MSSA but just a club in the MSSA.

      Personally I can’t see SASCOC suspending the MSSA just because one of their members clubs has a problem with their accounts.

      We will follow up with SASCOC again shortly to try and get an updated response

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