The “next generation” hasn’t even started yet, and already it seems that games on the new consoles just won’t be able to compare to their PC counterparts.
That’s according to DICE, who says that they’ve had to make a few compromises to get Battlefield 4 up to spec on the Xbox One and PlayStation 4.
Speaking to Videogamer, Battlefield executive producer Patrick Bach says that DICE is “doing as much as [it] can” with the next-gen versions, “but we need to compromise in some places”.
The reason for that, which should make those smug PC elitists even more smug is that “from a CPU/GPU perspective, no, [PS4 & Xbox One cannot match PC].
“PC will always be… You can just add more to a PC. There’s always more. The game supports to a big extent better hardware, but not completely, so it won’t be night and day.”
So if you were hoping that the next gen consoles would knock the master race off its perch for a bit, you’re likely to end up disappointed. Still, console gamers won’t be getting a terribly experience; at its core, Battlefield 4 on consoles will be the same game. Just slightly less shiny.
“I think the cool thing that we are extremely excited about is that you will, for the first time, get a full Battlefield experience on a console,” he adds. “It’s the same core, it’s the same game, it’s the same feature set, there’s nothing left out, so to speak. But there’s also the 64 players, 60FPS experience that you haven’t really seen on a console previously which will move it up a big notch and eliminate some of the gap between PC and console.
“Then it’s more of a question on graphical fidelity, graphical detail and stuff like that. But then on the other hand, [PS4 & Xbox One] have some cool features that [benefit] it being a console game. You know, how Battlelog is integrated into the game in a much better way, you have the second screen features, you have the whole friends network which is super nifty on the consoles, and stuff like that.”
Battlefield 4 is coming to Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC on November 1 – with a “next gen” release available later.
Last Updated: August 28, 2013
Happy Hamster
August 28, 2013 at 08:39
Hence ive converted from a Console Gamer to a PC Gamer now
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 08:52
Welcome brother. Here is your crown and sceptre
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:10
You forgot the modesty badge.
Alien Emperor Trevor
August 28, 2013 at 09:22
Do we really need the badge? I thought everyone could tell just by looking that we’re bett… modest.
Sargon
August 28, 2013 at 09:39
You forgot to introduce him to his Kingdom of Serfs and Poor People who shall do all they can to make his gaming comfortable and enjoyable.
Rob Valentine
August 28, 2013 at 18:25
I got no serfs when I converted. To be fair, if I could get rid of Origin forever, I’d probably be happier.
Hammersteyn
August 28, 2013 at 08:53
Why not both? Works for me.
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 08:58
A few of my Xbox buddies have done the same. They don’t seem impressed with the PS4 and the delay of the Xbone launch has swayed them to the PC side.
N@te
August 28, 2013 at 09:22
I went from a R15 000 gaming PC to console, yes the games don’t always look as good but upgrading every few months gets expensive and nothing beats lazing on the couch with a beer jamming so Forza on a 42″.
FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING
August 28, 2013 at 13:17
Why be a pc gamer when you can be a real gamer? I don;t see why games need to be mixed with spreadsheets. Real games play on real game consoles, like the xbox 360 and in the future the Xbox Won
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 14:38
Yeah! Real gamer’s use aim assist..oh wait.
Paul Fouche
August 28, 2013 at 08:40
cannot beat the master race
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 08:52
You sir, speak the truth
Kromas
August 28, 2013 at 12:06
All Hail!
FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING
August 28, 2013 at 13:18
There is only XBOX Gamig master race.
Kromas
August 28, 2013 at 16:16
I concur … they are indeed the “gamig” master race. Not sure what that is but I will trust your judgement. 😛
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 08:42
Who would’ve thought that PCs would be more powerful than consoles! Preposterous I tell thee!
MAcethy
August 28, 2013 at 08:46
Looks like we need a next next-gen console race already…
Skyblue
August 28, 2013 at 08:50
No surprise. Here’s your pie (fan)boys.
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 08:52
Oh the lulz. Nomnoms indeed
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 08:51
HEADER LULZ
Skyblue
August 28, 2013 at 08:52
That is awesome but damn it’s too early!
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 08:52
So, PC is still better than console?
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 08:59
That’s scary man!
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:11
Would you have preffered the cartoon meme? ;P
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:21
LOL…cartoons are good right?
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:39
Why yes, yes it is…
Hammersteyn
August 28, 2013 at 08:52
Some games are just made for PC and some are just made for GTA 5…. I mean consoles. But seriously. Why would anyone want to pay premium for a game that doesn’t even come close to the PC version. If you love Bf so much.Play it on PC rather. The game will be cheaper on PC anyway.
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 08:53
You speak the truth my friend
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:00
Yeah, and no need to pay to play MP.
Maxiviper117
August 28, 2013 at 10:10
But apparently origin has given many people, many many problems, to the point where it becomes unplayable
Drizzt
August 28, 2013 at 12:48
On console there is no Origin to put up with!
Hammersteyn
August 28, 2013 at 12:50
Yup that’s a BIG plus
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 14:39
On console it’s called XBL/PSN 🙂
InsanityFlea
August 28, 2013 at 08:55
Naturally it would have to be down scaled for consoles. Everyone knows this.
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 08:57
PC is next-gen, said Chuck Norris.
FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING
August 28, 2013 at 13:18
which is funny because chick norris is old-gen.
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:00
Huh, Cliffy B was right that we’ll see a resurgence with PC gaming.
nicksimp101
August 28, 2013 at 09:04
This is an honest question, If I were to buy PC rig that would outperform the PS4 (RRP @ R6300), how much would I have to spend?
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:04
Just the box without OS?
nicksimp101
August 28, 2013 at 09:06
Ja, can assume without the OS.
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:08
Off my head, I would say an i5, H61 mobo, 8 gig RAM, Radeon 7790 would set you back less than R6K. Thats with a decent PSU.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:10
Yeah a 6K machine would do the trick for now. But to last you would need to spend about 8 – 10k
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:18
Wait until BF4 releases on PC and then I’ll pass judgement. The AMD Jaguar CPU is essentially a mobile CPU and I believe that it will be the weakness regarding the overall performance of consoles.
boet
August 28, 2013 at 09:38
Ja, that wont equal or outperform either the xbox one or ps4. The 7790 can barley run the current games at max. I would say maybe a Geforce 760 or better, but the reality is that we have to wait and see what the new consoles are capable of. My estimate would be 10- 12k
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:50
GTX560Ti can run most games still on high to ultra. Really don’t need a 7 series unless you absolutely need to run ultra with AA and all the heavy things turned on all the time
boet
August 28, 2013 at 10:06
The 560ti runs current console games at max. Im thinking what you would need to run PS4 quality graphics. I dont know but Im guessing you would need a beefy card to match it.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 12:08
I dare say it runs things better than current consoles already.
But yes for comparison to PS4 you would need at least a 660 I reckon. But most certainly not a 7xx series
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:06
It’s difficult to say, as we don’t know what exactly the next gen consoles are capable of. But a new PC, from scratch, with software, will costs quite a bit more. If only looking to upgrade though, about the same or even a bit less.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:09
A PC from scratch now to play BF4 on high-ultra would set you back about 12k. However you could spend 8 – 10k and be set for atleast 3 -4 years IF you are ok with medium settings in about 3-4 years time. If not and you are a graphics lover who needs to have the best of the best then I hope you have a big bank account.
I spent 10K on a PC 2 1/2 years back and I’m still playing games on high – ultra. No issues.
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:11
Same here. Spent 9k 8months ago and can run on high or ultra.
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
You don’t have to spend the full load of cash in one go. You can always upgrade your PC year-on-year until you find what fits.
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 14:41
Depends, do you have a monitor/HD TV already? Do you have any parts that would be usable for the creation of your new machine (SATA/SSD/IDE drives, RAM, Optical Drives (DVD/Blu Ray)? Every little bit you have already, helps cut costs down dramatically.
Pieter Kruger
August 28, 2013 at 09:04
Eish, I dropped R17k on a PC about 5 months ago and the thing is already outdated it seems! Truth be told I still prefer my Xbox for FPS games and only use the PC for strategy games. I have no problem playing BF on the console version even if it’s not on par with PC graphics, as it means I don’t have to sell my house to keep upgrading my pc every couple of months!
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:06
I’m the other way around. I can’t stand to see how cartoonish and jaggy Frostbite looks on Xbox and I prefer to play it on PC in 1080p.
PS: My PC set me back R6k.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:07
You dropped 17K 5 months ago and it’s not good enough anymore???? How!??
I spent 10k two and a half years back and my PC is still playing games on high – ultra 0.o?
Pieter Kruger
August 28, 2013 at 09:23
So obviously everyone’s telling me I’m crazy! Maybe I should show my PC some love again then! :). What fps games would you suggest that will fully utilize the pc graphic wise? Maybe I can try playing with the Xbox controller on pc?
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:38
If you spent 17k 5 months ago any FPS would run on your machine. Crysis 3, BF3, all of them will run great
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 23:12
BF4 would certainly, Arma 3 would too.
Though, Arma 3 has a very, very steep learning curve by way of a ridiculous amount of keybinds…and I do mean ridiculous.
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:09
I cannot, even after 4 years of owning my consoles, play a FPS on a console. It just doesn’t compare. I’ve never bought a FPS for console. Got MW3 with a bundle with my new PS3 last year, but traded that in rather quickly.
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:15
I think regular PC upgraders don’t really plan ahead, just buy stuff and pop it in there, or they just hate the fact that there are new hardware that they do not ownzez yet, then they buy buy buy. 3 year old PC, runs everything on ultra… I ask, how??
boet
August 28, 2013 at 10:09
Whats the specs?
Pieter Kruger
August 28, 2013 at 10:38
Looking at the Invoice it’s a Core i5 4.5 GHz, Twin Frozr IV GTX 670 overclocked, Corsair vengeance 8GB DDR3?
Blazzok
August 28, 2013 at 11:33
Outdated in the sense of newer hardware having been released since you bought it, yes.
Outdated in the sense of you can’t play the latest games on full graphics anymore, no.
I have roughly the same build, I’m gonna assume you have the i5-3570K and not the i5-2500K (I bought my PC 2 years ago). I also have an OC’d GTX670 and 8GB of RAM, and I have no problems running anything at full graphics. I even made Metro Last Light my bitch (albeit not with full x16 AA, but you don’t need that anyway).
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:05
And this is why I was getting so upset with Sony and Microsoft when they were spewing things like “The next gen consoles are better than PC and stronger” bla bla bla.
We all know that PC will always be stronger. It was designed that way. Scalable architecture.
Next gen consoles are amazing pieces of hardware and are capable of things the previous generation of consoles could only dream of doing. They are capable of handling graphics on almost the same level as a decent machine nowadays. They are fantastic.
But when people start seeing that the consoles are unable to perform like both MS and Sony have been saying it will (and both sides are guilty of over promising on performance here) it’s going to cause more hate towards each respective company.
This is why I constantly said that they need to stop marketing by trying to compare to PC. Market to your console players saying the graphics are much, much better than previous gen consoles and just leave out any mention of PC. It’s Apples and oranges and has no place to be compared. It’s just going to leave a sour taste everywhere.
Now it’s already coming out the woodworks that consoles are going to be slighly less capable when developers start using it. We all knew this logically, but because of promises made by both MS and Sony we were all kinda still hoping that it would be true. Even us PC lovers the “Master Race” as it’s so often called here were waiting in anticipation because if it was better on console then the PC scene would change drastically as well. nVidia and AMD would have to start coming up with cheaper options to stay valid in the gaming industry on PC, prices would need to have dropped to compete with consoles.
Now, it’s not so much the case because promises made by the console players were pretty much lies. Or at least only half truths.
It’s sad that consoles won’t beat next-gen PC gaming, it would have upset the apple cart and changed the gaming scene for a long time. Now… Not so much as it could have
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:08
So much sense in this post, it is OVER 9000!!!
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:14
Amen brother
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:15
*fist bump*
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:18
Nice way of looking at it, if consoles were to dethrone PCs the price of graphical hardware would have to decrease.
boet
August 28, 2013 at 10:15
Spot on. Well said.
DadGamer
August 28, 2013 at 09:05
Same old story… I wonder how many people would actually see a difference if PC and Console versions were played side-by-side… especially when in heavy battle action.
The PC/Console war nearly always gets fought in the graphics arena, but on a practical day-to-day basis, it comes down to whatever feels comfortable for you.
I have a top-end PC that smashes my PS3’s graphics in the mud, but I still end up picking up my Dualshock and enjoying my games on my couch, 42″ TV and plug ‘n play simplicity.
My PC-loving son thinks differently, but at least we both get to game at the same time 🙂
ALKi1234
August 28, 2013 at 09:06
Is pc better than console? The answer is a big NO, and here is my reason. If i give you R6200 and tell you to go buy me a pc(the tower + decent keyboard and mouse), i can promise you is won’t even come close to what the ps4 can do. What people are doing is like comparing a BMW M5(ps4) to a lamborghini reventon (R17000 gaming rig). Just imagine every single “gamer” has the cash to fork out R15000 for a console then SONY could bring out a console that can do 15 teraflops + and that’s the facts ladies and gents. It’s time to stop this pathetic argument and move on.
CypherGate
August 28, 2013 at 09:11
AGREED!!!
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:17
actually you could build a PC that could perform as well with R6200. You just need to be smart about it and realise that you don’t need the top end to do what the PS4 does. The PS4 already does it with hardware that’s already almost 2 generations old (The GPU anyhows)
Most gamers already have a KB+Mouse they are happy with so you don’t actually need to include that in the price.
it is possible. But yes, it won’t last as long as the PS4 will because unlike on consoles, PC games are generally made to run as good as it can instead of “able to run on this spec console”
The saving grace is that PC games have graphic options to set so that you can drop it to medium if need be and it will then still be as good as if it were made to run on your hardware.
The big thing people don’t realise is that you don’t need to have the best graphics on a PC to enjoy the game. You can have your machine run the game on the same fidelity level that your console does (Next-gen anyway) for roughly the same price and if you are happy with keeping it at that level of graphic quality you will be set for just as long as the console will.
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:21
So much agrees!! I thank you sir!
Hesperus Phosphorus
August 28, 2013 at 09:24
I’m going to have to disagree here. To my eyes (don’t know if I’m unique here) as soon as you drop 95% of PC games’ performance to anything below ‘High’ they really start to look quite terrible and in some ways worse than their console equivalent – the games really are intended to run at optimal settings and when you change this textures, anti-aliasing and the like seem go out the window destroying what is intended to be a beautiful game. With consoles the devs know exactly what they’re working with rather than what they could be working with.
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:27
Agree and Disagree. It all depends on whether you always want the best (then you buy a monster), or just want to enjoy the games (then you just keep with it)
I will use ARMA III as example, looks superb on Ultra! But really not spoiled at all if you set on medium. (I played on medium settings in alpha version due to a crash)
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 09:41
I don’t agree here. I will use my own PC as an example.
Some games drop to about 30FPS when set to ultra on it. I’m a spoiled child so I prefer 60FPS all the time. I then drop to high or medium and the games still look good. That or I leave it on high or ultra and go down to 720p instead of full 1080 and suddenly it’s 60FPS again.
That’s the same as current gen consoles are capable of and more.
So yeah, medium is still fine. I agree that less than medium and you have trouble but medium and up is really still good.
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:27
I don’t agree with the R 6200 sentiment. Developers gets so much more out of consoles (when doing a direct hardware comparison), begin a “closed system” and all that. At the beginning of a generation your statement may be true (if only listing the price for an “upgrade”), but as the time goes by, the next gen consoles are able to get so much more from their hardware. The Last of Us is a shining example of this.
Pierre F Muller
August 28, 2013 at 09:58
I Bought and built my own PC (Already had a Monitor, Keyboard etc.) for 7.5k a year ago and I can max anything. And I will be able to with just a GPU upgrade be able to near-max games for the next 4 years.
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 16:56
“it is possible. But yes, it won’t last as long as the PS4 will because unlike on consoles, PC games are generally made to run as good as it can instead of “able to run on this spec console””
Not an entirely valid statement Llew. It’s not like the hardware degrades, it’s that new hardware allows for higher settings on scalable engines. Doesn’t mean what you have is performing any worse, simply means there’s a whole other layer of performance/resources available that developers take into account (eventually, it takes quite some time for devs to start tweaking for rare/exceedingly expensive parts).
At the same time, Nvidia and AMD are constantly releasing driver updates which improve GPU performance dramatically, much like Microsoft and Sony deliver tweaks/updates to their machines routinely, or developers giving love to their engines over long periods of time.
Basically, the hardware you have in your PC, just like your console, doesn’t just start performing worse, because new hardware is out. It just doesn’t necessarily have the horsepower as the newer hardware.
To put it in perspective, over the lifecycle of the PS3/360, it’s not like the hardware got better or anything, developers simply refined their processes and engines. Same thing happens on PC, while also making room for new resources made available by newer technology.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 17:07
I absolutely agree with you. I said much the same as you did now but thanks for going in to more detail. Wasn’t sure how exactly to word it and you said it perfect. What I said was a lot shorter: ” You can have your machine run the game on the same fidelity level that your console does (Next-gen anyway) for roughly the same price and if you are happy with Ikeeping it at that level of graphic quality you will be set for just as long as the console will”
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 17:39
Ahhh I see now, my apologies Llew, my first read through understood your meaning a tad differently. All good 🙂
It’s kinda cool though, both consoles and PC’s share this quality. Over the course of their lives, games simply get better and better because developers are always trying to improve and refine their techniques.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 18:47
Lol no worries my comment was kinda dancing like a maniac on both sides of the fence.
And yes, both consoles and PC games grow better over time. The only difference is that you can push a PC beyond its limits if you want with hardware upgrades. What most people don’t seem to understand, as you pointed out, is that yeah sure you need to upgrade to get the better visuals, but if you don’t upgrade you can still enjoy the game at a base graphics level. Those base levels don’t change and remain the same. They have to so as to accommodate the consoles of the day
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 18:53
Not just consoles of the day, but even the lower end PC’s. That’s why I like seeing companies disregard the lowest common denominator and push the high-end from time to time. Clearly, not all devs can afford this…but the ones who do, really show everyone what’s capable currently, and moving forward. And they push developers AND Gamer’s to start dreaming of the possibilities for the future. Imagining what new worlds and environments that are possible, with hardware moving forward. Basically inspiring a whole new generation of games and experiences that we can all immerse ourselves in.
It’s vital that this keeps happening, otherwise the evolution of games will slow down to a crawl, only advancing as developers work on years old engines (UE3), while having to sacrifice in other areas (map size) in order to add in newer bells and whistles. On static or old hardware, that’s simply forcing devs to sacrifice one thing, for another.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
August 28, 2013 at 18:57
yeah. It’s a balancing act. That’s why people who are all about visuals (crytek etc) will always be important. They force the industry to continue to grow
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 19:05
Well, on the surface, Crytek was only about visuals. But they were also up there in the AI dept as well…not Stalker levels of enemy AI. But they were close.
We _really_ need more companies like GSC Games (Stalker) and Bohemia Interactive (Arma)…those companies have been pushing/have pushed the boundaries of an immersive game environment far beyond what most of us are used to.
Hesperus Phosphorus
August 28, 2013 at 09:19
A R15 000 console is a cute idea, but regardless of what the specs are, consoles will always be non-upgradeable making it a pointless endeavour to go crazy with console specs and prices from both the manufacturer and consumer’s points of view. I don’t understand why PC gamers are so up on themselves (hiding in their mom’s basement) and console gamers are such insecure fanboys (having a fit and weep when it’s mentioned console versions look like crap compared to the PC version). FFS, we all play games…who cares about the format? If you can afford it, keep your PC decent and get a console or two.
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
Why then pay SOOOO much for the gamses on console? Don’t you think it cancels out your argument after a while? And with 17k, you can build quite a monster if you plan right, but no need to spend that much, honestly.
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
2nd hand game market negates any argument regarding more expensive games.
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:24
But SO many people are buying the games new… Somewhere someone is cashing in big time and going on holiday on the Phi Phi islands.
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:32
Haha, true. I pre-order about 2 games on average a year (just to be part of the hype train now and again), but other than that, I don’t pay more than R 200 per game, if even that much. Games at cash Crusader are R 130 for PS3, and R 100 for Xbox. We also have a “toy store” locally that makes you pay R 150 for ANY 2nd hand games, and if you trade in ANY game, you get the “new” game for R 50.
If not for the 2nd hand market, I wouldn’t touch consoles as I just can’t afford gaming at R 700 per game.
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:36
On that basis, console is great. I ain’t hating or nuthn. The whole ‘Next-Gen is better than PC’ is just a marketing scam in my opinion, to get more fanboys to buy games new or whatever. Second hand market is great! 🙂
Skyblue
August 28, 2013 at 09:41
Valid sentiment. I generally wait for most titles to come down in price but make exceptions for titles like TLOU, Forza, GTA and Starcraft. Nothing wrong with 2nd hand (pre-loved?) titles. Exactly why I’m in no rush for the next-gen consoles, they need larger libraries first.
Love me some Steam Sales!
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:44
Yeah, I’m going to use 2014 to upgrade my PC a bit. I want to be able to run Star Citizen and Destiny (once it comes to PC) at a decent frame rate!
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:45
Steam Sales FTW!!
DBL_ZA
August 28, 2013 at 09:26
As someone who forms part of the Master Race (heresy incoming), I fully agree. We’re sort of comparing apples and oranges here. The main focus of a console is gaming. It is built from scratch that way, with an OS specific to gaming. While it can do other things, those things are limited compared to a PC. A PC in itself, even a completely gaming-focused one, is still a piece of equipment that is meant to do so much more than a console. Hence the name “Personal Computer”, not “GC” (Gaming Computer).
Fact is, your everyday gamer doesn’t build and tweak every component of his PC to be specifically oriented toward gaming. And most components in a reasonable price range are still geared toward generalization, so you can still take some work home and do it there. My PC is worth a couple of 10’s of thousands of Randelas, but I use it for work as well. I built it as a gaming rig, but it still does so much more than that. A console has every component, driver and piece of software aimed at gaming/media. Obviously the argument has to come in that the consoles need to be affordable, otherwise they would never be successful, which is why there is not the same level of tech in them as a gaming PC. An equivalent-specced untweaked PC probably can’t match a console, solely due to the fact that it hasn’t had millions of bucks in research put into it to see how to make it work as efficiently as possible just for gaming. Not to mention the fact that console games are made specifically for a set type of hardware, whereas with PC, the games aren’t as optimized, as developers have to cater for a large array of different hardware and hardware combinations.
I could go on much more, but this is why, ladies and gentlemen we really are making an awful lot of noise of nothing, instead of just all enjoying the gaming.
TROLL DISCLAIMER: Master Race FTW!!!
DBL_ZA
August 28, 2013 at 09:31
Potato for the people who bothered to read my seemingly endless comment 🙂
ThatManOverThere
August 28, 2013 at 09:37
Potato is good! Yum
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:38
all I read was master Race FTW…… This war will never end…
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:14
I probably need to stay out of this article …. I feel vulnerable.
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:15
Begone with yeee
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:16
2 seconds downvote. This is a scary place!!!
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:18
Not me dude, would never be me.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:19
LOL I know. You’re just that undercover troll stalking *GASP* I know the truth!
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
Dude, I’ve actually considered doing that, but alas, trolling as AC is my main focus 🙂
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
Not as Banana or Foxhound? 0-O
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:21
Foxhound is a real human person?
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:22
Well, that is a very philosophical question… Define person VS fanboy…
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:24
Well, in that case he must be Julius Malema. The poster child for fanboy.
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:25
Bwahahaha!
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:21
LOL speaking of those two (or one), I wonder where they are
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:21
Lol damn straight, no need to hide 🙂 all in in good spirits
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:17
Hahha! It’s like walking through a lightening storm with a huge ass umbrella! Enjoy the strikes, most South Africans seem to!
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
Lol throwing poop around is all the rage these days.
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:21
Oh, ‘shit’ you are right 😉
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:22
Indeed, they can’t bull..SHIT me….
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:22
Man, you really have to be some sort of degenerate to want to touch poop.
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:17
Ag, we pc gamers are nice people once we’ve had our breakfast (the children of console gamers).
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:18
I Call BS. The moment there is an Nvidia vs Intel whatever, you guys turn into total shits! hahahah
Alien Emperor Trevor
August 28, 2013 at 09:27
Silence peasant – back to the mud farms with you!
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:31
Oi! You KNOW I speak the truth! The truth will out, THE TRUTH WILL OUT!
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:49
dont you mean the truth is out there??
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:19
Nice people? sure……And ANC promised us a better life
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:19
You bloody agent!
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
Get out of here with your tendents~ !!
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:22
*tendent-see
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:25
I don’t see tenders…see see what I mean?
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:48
BBC for brighter better colours 🙂
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:23
I resent that. We have nothing to do with the ANC. We are the puppet masters, not the puppets themselves.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:26
WE ARE THE CL*T COMMANDERS … sorry had to quote J&SB lol
well, Mr. Fancy smancy master race, you can’t control us, we have Linux installed
John of Vault 11
August 28, 2013 at 09:33
Mmm. Linux. Dessert.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
August 28, 2013 at 09:40
I’ll hold you. It’s ok.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:43
Hold me now,ooooh, warm my heart
stay with me, let loving start (let loving start) O-O
Admiral Chief Raider of Tombs
August 28, 2013 at 09:49
O_O
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:52
lol : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9694K85Xc8
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:52
sometimes I worry about you…
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:53
Because I have taste in awesome music 🙂
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 10:00
ever heard of Yellow Magic Orchestra – Rydeen you would love that song
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 10:01
Damn DUDE!!SICK TUNE!
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 10:02
I know catchy isnt it. 🙂
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 10:05
Lol indeed, thanx for the share 🙂
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 10:08
anytime
Brady miaau
August 28, 2013 at 09:14
Um, ok. Great. Just like when the previous gen came out, till the devs learn the new tricks and so forth, to give us games like Witcher 2 on console.
Boring.
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:16
Lol. I thought the next generation console was supposed to be better than cheese and PC’s together? trololo, and Geoff, is there a new position in a company called “Battlefield executive producer executive producer Patrick Bach” that I don’t know about? Trololo!
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:17
The guy is obviously VERY executive!
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
My thoughts too!
Brady miaau
August 28, 2013 at 09:17
Um. Name two things that are better than cheese.
Hmm, bacon.
RinceThisandbeAbsurd
August 28, 2013 at 09:20
Ohhh, Bacon… BEER?!
Brady miaau
August 28, 2013 at 09:30
Well, I do not (cannot) drink beer. Too full of, you know, sugar.
But I will accept. That is one thing
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:54
ummm jack daniels?
lepercorn
August 28, 2013 at 09:16
terribly experience?
MacDoodle
August 28, 2013 at 09:45
A pc game made by pc fans that is better on pc wow big surprise! When i compare reliability running a pc to my ps3 there is no comparison, ps3 hasn’t skipped a beat, the amount of game time that has been wasted on fixing this and tweaking that on pc is too depressing I will stick to consoles and when my buddy shows me games on his R25k gaming rig running at 100fps I’m like wow that is pretty but I’ll have ps4 thanks save 19k and have an awesome holiday by the beach
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
August 28, 2013 at 09:23
Rumor has it that BF4 will run at 720p on the PS4.
DBL_ZA
August 28, 2013 at 09:37
I heard 30FPS at 360p. Apparently that’s all the new hardware has to give
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:38
I see what your doing..
DBL_ZA
August 28, 2013 at 09:41
heheheh…. couldn’t resist 🙂
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:48
NOW GIVE ME YOUR POTATOE BITCH!!!
DBL_ZA
August 29, 2013 at 08:51
Geez calm down, here it is….. 😛
TiMsTeR1033
August 29, 2013 at 08:59
its a day late its gone well bad…. 🙁 *cries in corner*
DBL_ZA
August 29, 2013 at 12:30
Methinks not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1fWf_c13Sc
Melasco
August 28, 2013 at 09:23
Tell us something we dont know…. I’m moving from PS3 to PS4, so to me, the upgrade will be awesome, and thats all that matters 🙂
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:28
Are graphics really that important ………………………………………
Spathi
August 28, 2013 at 09:33
I play games on my 3310i and my calculator, graphics are so mainstream!
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
August 28, 2013 at 09:36
I think we should all go back to test based games!!
DBL_ZA
August 28, 2013 at 09:41
Snake FTW
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:40
the games will look just as shiny to us on consoles who dont have top end pcs pushing game to the max. Frankly graphics on ps3 and xbox 360 were good enough for a long time only now showing age abit so next gen I aint worried they gotta turn it down a bit for consoles.
jac7
August 28, 2013 at 09:34
Personally, it comes down to the exclusives. The last of us alone warrants getting a PS3. The Halo and Gears series by far the best coop experience I’ve ever had. Don’t listen to me, I’m drunk. Sets cape on fire and flies away.
CypherGate
August 28, 2013 at 09:41
The way i see it again is that PC’s will always be better. Consoles will get better, but will reach a limit. The problem is that if they should ever have to make next gen consoles upgradable then everyone would class it as PC’s. There are pros and cons to these things as well. With Consoles you pay one price and that basically sets you up for the next few years whereas PC’s have to be upgraded every few months if not a year. Now many will say yes, but i been using the same pc for all the new games for about 5 years etc etc just with not being able to play the newer games at full graphic settings and they ok with that.
Fair enough… but thing is this… games are made to look really stunning and with a console you get a constant top quality product whereas with PC if you can’t afford to get that type of image quality without sacrificing a lot of FPS’s then you will have to dumb down the graphics. The blunt truth is that PC graphics will always be tops. It has the advantage of advancing every few months. Consoles dont have that privilege. IF consoles had that privilege then we then can start comparing graphic quality etc etc
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:47
Very well said and so very true, which is why I dont care much for pc gaming anymore… I got tired of turning down settings and having to upgrade for a game… mind you you couldnt play properly till you upgraded…
CypherGate
August 28, 2013 at 09:53
That was always the issue. Also think about this one for a second. You buy a R15 000 PC without a monitor. You still need to buy a really good monitor to get the lovely eye candy. Who wants to play on a 19inch monitor nowadays anyway. then you buy games. Fair enough PC games are quite cheaper than Console, but you have to always upgrade. Thats where your money keeps on going. PC part prices have been on the increase a lot more often laterly whereas with a console. You pay say R5800 (PS4) and buy a game which in all honesty is expensive (R600 etc etc), but no matter what game you buy you will ALWAYS get that great graphics you want from the console.
Also I dont know if you agree with this, but you get some sort of satisfaction seeing them bump up graphics on consoles months or so later just on how they find ways to get more out of the consoles. I love the feeling of playing say Forza 2 and it was like damn wow that looks good and then Forza 3 comes out and you like wtf? How did they get that game looking better than Forza 2? then Forza 4 comes out and it just makes you feel all good inside lol
TiMsTeR1033
August 28, 2013 at 09:59
I wont liem I loved Forza 3 and then bought forza 4 and I agree I was like they look so REAL!!! O_O I mean hell even look at Gears of war 1 compared to GOW 3 , They really know how to push the consoles. And GTA5 I for one believe will push the current gen consoles the most. If they dont have noticeable texture pop ups that alone is huge feat with how little ram the current gen have I mean 512mb its scary what consoles can actually put out.
CypherGate
August 28, 2013 at 10:08
yeah Gears of War 1 compared to 3 is a big difference. The developers work harder at what they have available and when they get it right then it just shows what they can do with little tech. Im still Playing Forza 4. Im at the Elite League now and im only completed 3.8% of the game. Its crazy how large this game is. As you said for GTA5…. its definitely going to push the current gen the most.
Gr8_Balls_o_Fire
January 9, 2014 at 12:18
Consoles are just far more convenient. Not better, more convenient. And that works for me and many other people.
To make an analogy, consoles could maybe be like road cars. You buy it and drive it and if its a good car you have lots of fun.
PC’s would be like race cars, which require constant maintenance, large budgets and lots of research and tinkering to get the most out of.
Devourer of Small Bunnies
August 28, 2013 at 10:46
Can I just say something…
Darren Peach
August 28, 2013 at 11:00
This article serves no real purpose other than to create a forum debate. A fixed hardware system can never compare to the ever changing PC landscape. There is no point in even mentioning this because it is forgone conclusion. Anyone who thought otherwise is smoking their socks. Its pretty pathetic that a game website would resort to this sort of reporting in order to create a meaningless war of words between people based on what their preferred method of gaming is. There is enough bs in the world.
PsiCoRe
August 28, 2013 at 12:14
I have a long list of reasons of why I hate consoles and the majority of its market, but reduced performance and graphics is not one of them. I think PS3 and Xbox 360 games look just fine. Anyone who thinks that’s the reason to join the master race is just a poser and doesn’t belong here. Don’t infect us with your n00bness.
Darren Peach
August 29, 2013 at 14:06
You are a first class tool.
PsiCoRe
August 29, 2013 at 14:53
Correct. No half measures here.
Darren Peach
August 29, 2013 at 15:05
Anyone that that infers the term ” Don’t infect us with your n00bness ” is clearly a juvenile retard who still spend most of his time alt tabbing between his level 81 Voddoo Wizard Paladin Whatever in World of Warcraft and his porn and sodomise himself 6 times a day. Am I close ?
PsiCoRe
August 29, 2013 at 16:06
There. I’ve updated it. You happy? No time for sodomy, unfortunately. I’m far too busy with my stringent gaming regiment.
Darren Peach
August 29, 2013 at 16:14
What happened to no half measures here ? By changing your comment you have inadvertently proved that you seek approval from a complete stranger giving you attitude for no good reason. You need to go see a shrink, Not just because of your need for approval, But for the fact that you show signs of a irrational mind who spend his time hating a perfectly mundane piece of hardware that has no impact of his your life whatsoever and for all intent and purposes is completely harmless.
I personally reserve hate for criminals, You know, Rapists, Murderers and Pedophiles. Each to his own.
PsiCoRe
August 29, 2013 at 23:44
You gathered all that from two comments? Your mail order psychology degree is really paying off. I was not entirely satisfied with my comment, such bad grammar is unacceptable and I felt it required elaboration. Furthermore I seek no approval from a complete stranger so don’t flatter yourself.
PS. Good on you sir. I commend thee. :-/
Darren Peach
August 30, 2013 at 10:00
LOL. Glad you did not take me too seriously.
Kromas
August 28, 2013 at 12:30
The PC is so good it does not require a PC 2 (or PC 360 180 270 or ONE). 😛
Kendall Ravey
September 1, 2013 at 17:57
And that’s exactly why there’s only one hardware manufacturer for PCs. Oh wait, there’s more than that? Oh yeah. Last time I checked there’s thousands of different PC models, and nearly all of them are unfit for gaming. The only difference is that they don’t fit into definitive ‘generations’.
FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING
August 28, 2013 at 13:16
Wjat they’re trying to say is lots of compromisses on the PS4 and PS3 but no compromisses on the XBOX WON!
Brian Murphy
August 28, 2013 at 14:37
“So if you were hoping that the next gen consoles would knock the master race off its perch for a bit”
Then you don’t understand how technology works, how PC’s are built, and how a scaling engine built for PC, makes use of all resources available on any hardware set.