Microsoft confirms insane Xbox One DRM 
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Gavin Mannion
June 7, 2013 at 4:40 pm

This wasn’t the news I wanted to wake up to on a Friday but it looks like Microsoft has refused to listen to gamers and in a futile attempt for this disaster to not ruin their E3 they have decided to clarify how the Xbox One will work and it’s not pretty.

But wait we have good news for you

GoodNews

But let’s start with the actual good because there is some. The new Xbox One will allow you to setup a family group that can contain up to 10 people. All of these people then share games so that if I buy a copy of Bioshock Infinite and my dad wants to play it on his Xbox One, at his house, all he has to do is connect to my library in the cloud and install it for free.

That’s awesome and a really nice move from Microsoft. How the family groups are created and shared is still unknown and whether I can continue playing while he’s playing is also not clarified. But this could be a nice way to get a library going between your family of friends.

Next good news, well cool news maybe not good news. Is that when you install a game you picked up from the shop a copy of that game will be stored in your cloud library as well. I’m going to guess here you don’t have to upload the thing since you can buy all of these digitally so they must have a copy as well.

The great thing here is that when you get robbed or the dog trashes your disc you don’t lose your ability to play the game.. even if your Xbox is trashed.

Oh and if you go to a friends house and sign in you can play any of your games that are in your library… now that’s awesome.

And if Microsoft had just stopped then it would have been a winning proposition for them.. but they didn’t

Stahp

So now you have a library of titles that you can access anywhere, anytime and that you can share with your family easily. So what has Microsoft done that is so bad?

DRM

There’s no sugar coating it. Microsoft has embedded the most draconian DRM system into the system that we’ve ever seen.

You do need an internet connection to use the Xbox One. You need it to install and licence games, you then need to make sure you connect at least once every 24 hours or the Xbox One will stop playing games.

“With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.  “

But don’t fear you can watch live TV through your Xbox One if your Internet goes down… so depressing.

But don’t panic they are at least letting us sell used games.. and in their words

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.  Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games. “

Sounds good.. but check out the wording around participating retailers. Not all retailers will be able to do this so that awesome independent down the road who survives on used game sales can kiss their business good bye. Also Microsoft doesn’t charge a platform fee for this but they do allow publishers to charge a fee, or refuse to allow the games to be resold in any way.

“Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this.”

But wait it doesn’t stop there, Microsoft will also allow you to simply give your game away. But the person who then receives it can’t give it to anyone else. And you have to be friends with the person for at least 30 days.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”

Here’s a handy little graphic to show exactly what Microsoft is doing wrong

XboxOneFailures

Okay so there is one thing that hasn’t yet been clarified, can I lend a game to my friend? Or like with Lazygamer where I receive a game to review and then send it to Geoff afterwards to mess around with and then Darryn picks it up when he visits civilisation. Well that’s no longer an option

“In addition (to selling games), third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.”

And to close in yet another depressing tone.. Microsoft recommends that you have at least a 1.5Mb connection to utilise the Xbox One. I guess it’s about time that Telkom offered a 2Mb as base broadband?

But don’t forget you can still watch TV if your Internet is down, you recently moved, work on site or have your Internet taken out for a while due to silly things like tornadoes or tsunami’s..

Geoff and Darryn are landing in LA sometime today and will be at the Xbox One conference on Monday so stick around to get all the news as it breaks from E3.

[Update: The above is all official and can be found on the official Xbox site here]
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  • e1ace

    The sad thing is that in 5/10 years there will be so many games that will have had their servers shut down – making them useless. Which before was ok cause it would just effect the multiplayer – but now with cloud processing, the single player will be taken down as well.

  • FoxHoundR

    My dad is buying this DAY ONE! Xbox one > PS4

    • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

      Welcome back FoxTroll

      • FoxHoundR

        Hello. I don’t knu who you are. My dad says taht the xbox one will be cheaper than the PS4 and it will have fifa as an excluvis. Microsoft has already beaten sony so when the xbox one gets released the xbox will destroy the PSlame.

        • TiMsTeR1033

          Pray tell how on earth would it be cheaper? because its crapper or because its an inclusive entertainment system not really a console because its only a console when you go online….freaken kids dont be stupid and btw who gives a crap about fifa

          • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

            Oh that’s the usual uninteresting troll of LG

          • TiMsTeR1033

            Yeah well kids, and their my dad says crap talk. I mean you know as well as I do Fifa doesnt sell consoles, and sure fifa is a nice game but I only ever played fifa 11 or 12 at a friends house while having a braai and getting drunk…..

          • FoxHoundR

            FIfa helped PS3 dominate in europe. Fifa will help xbox one dominate because the content will tie in with what’s happening on european sport’s channels. That’s genius though. Anyone who disagrees hates progress.

          • FoxHoundR

            Same reason xbox 360 was cheaper than PS3. And still is. Sony is almost bankrupt so they can’t take another knock. Whereas Microsoft can make their pricing extremely competitive.

            Wait and see, xbox one is going to launch under R3000 whereas the PSlame will be closer to R6000. Any one who pays R6000 for a console is retarded, especially if the competitor is cheaper and brings more features.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            Dude!!! Dont you ever read?? PS3 was expensive why? because Sony said ” work 2 jobs to get one” why because of their mighy cell cpus which took forever to be used by devs. Its more expensive aswell why because it can play blu rays and 3d movies. xbox 360 is a great machine but I wish so so many days I bought a ps3 instead. 360 was a good console, but think who was running Ms back then? who made the 360 and are they there today…. Id gladly pay R6000 for a console that does what I want instead of being forced to conform to being a paperweight of a console unless I have a 2mb adsl line uncapped.

          • FoxHoundR

            Sony fanbois are so tiresome. Xbox 360 > PS3. Just look at the games. Multiplatform games were always better on xbox 360 and even HALO 4 > Killzone. This is a fact.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            DUDE!!!! listen to yourself! 360 was better than ps3 in many ways. I bought a 360 for heavens sake! but Ms has gone and bent you over and raped the shit outta your asshole! see the light man! the days of xbox are gone if sony makes an offline console it will be a war over! all the people out their with no 2mb adsl can get a ps4 all people on ships or in army or oil tankers or hell places that cant get internet can get a ps4 can the buy a xbox one NOOOOO!!!!! fucken hell I love my 360 but i wont buy an xbox one not after what they announced…. seriously let you and your dad buy a xbox one on day one I dont give a shit, just dont complain when they stop selling xbox ones here in south africa in some places when the sales are so shit.

          • FoxHoundR

            No… Xbox 360 was better than PS3. This has been scientifically proven. PS3 only caught up because of all the YLODs. If it wasn’t for all the YLOD consoles, PS3 would still be at 20 million, whereas the xbox would be at 70 million.

            Also SONY cheated by SHIPPING 50 million consoles to China. SO Xbox 360 > PS3

          • TiMsTeR1033

            no hope for you…. I give up

          • http://www.idontlikegamingiloveit.com Tateboetie Malaaitie

            Troll lvl BAWZ!!!!

        • Argentil

          Bad troll.

          • Brady miaau

            Yes. Sit. Stay.

        • Admiral Chief Commander

          BANANA JIM, I KNOW ITS YOU

          • TiMsTeR1033

            Bannana jim has more respect and brains to utter such words.

          • FoxHoundR

            My dad says banana jim is a dumbass.

          • Admiral Chief Commander

            I know its you, I have proof

          • FoxHoundR

            I have proof that you’re banana jim.

          • Admiral Chief Commander

            Only banana jim knows that he is a figment of my imagination, and since you know where are one, then you must also be….part…of…me?

            dafuq is wrong with the world O_O

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          • FoxHoundR
          • Admiral Chief Commander

            Its him, I have proof

          • Trevor Davies

            Is it a peel?

          • TiMsTeR1033

            wheres your proof?

          • Admiral Chief Commander

            see below

  • Argentil

    I’ve had my PS3 for 6 years. In those 6 years, If I were to estimate, I would say I’ve spent an accumulation of 10 months offline in that timeframe. I live in a mid-upper class region. I think that speaks for itself.

    • TiMsTeR1033

      well arnt you special… We know the rich folk have like 4mb uncapped at home and shit.

      • Argentil

        Ouch. Sorry I wasn’t boasting. I was just trying to demonstrate that even MS’ ideal market that they seem to be focusing are still going to be weighing up the risk of a required internet connection.

        • TiMsTeR1033

          The catch is Rich people no matter where they live will buy the xbone because they can, limitations to them is overcome by money, so yes in sandton and other upper class areas many will indeed buy a xbox one. but atleast some will see the light and say “why do I have to be online?”

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            Well South Africa is really more a PlayStation market and this will ensure that Xbox will all but fail locally. Even if the PS4 does the same thing

          • TiMsTeR1033

            Yeah it is more Ps market but honestly, how many people out there have a 2mb adls at home. see even if it was basic internet which some have you will need speed which in Sunny sa is not exactly cheap. Uk USA wont be effected by the online thing much honestly their tvs are connected to the net.

          • Brady miaau

            Your point is well seen.

      • Brady miaau

        Hi, I think the point made was that even areas with supposedly established infrastructure cannot seem to support this level of permanent internet connection.

  • TiMsTeR1033

    be safe

  • TiMsTeR1033

    ……

  • http://lazygamer.net/ OVG

    If Microsoft are brazen enough to pull this knowing that they will loose 90% of the market then WE KNOW SONY ARE GOING TO PULL THE SAME SHIT.

    They cannot be so stupid. I bet you all a muffin that SONY will pull the same shit but with different PR.

    • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

      Just had coffee?

    • TiMsTeR1033

      They better not pull the same shit coz if they do I am buying a WII U ill rather suffer than be forced to be online all of the time.

      • http://lazygamer.net/ OVG

        Even the Wii U has a 5.5 gig update out of the box (bricked unit if download is broken). Also they are recalling all 8gig units. It is a fucking joke.

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          QA? What’s that? Let’s just dump that department completely to save costs and then pump those costs in to marketing. Yeah! That will really make our products good!

          *for those of you who are unsure, yes, sarcasm*

        • TiMsTeR1033

          Are you freaking serious? a 5.5 gig update!

        • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

          The 5.5gig update is a lie man. I bought one on Sunday and the update was 1gig max. Nintendoland required a 300mb update. The graphics on 3rd part games are better on the Wii U.

  • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

    You can keep your DRM and I’ll keep my Xbox 360.

  • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

    I knew there was something good in getting the Wii U.

    All these Wii U sales were a sign!!!!!!!

  • MieLLiePaP

    Wait until the music and movie industry adopt these policies. sorry you can’t listen to your friends cd unless you pay us a fee. this cd player is not authorised to play this content. and btw there are more than 2 people listening at once. pay the licence fee. and don’t lie the infrared camera can still see you even though you put a bag over top of it!

    • FoxHoundR

      only poor people cry over a few cents. The fee will benefit the industry, and means we get better kwality games like Call of Duty and Halo. What games does PS4 have? Nothing good.

      • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

        Only ignorant fake douche trolls like yourself cry over their lack of intelligence.

        • FoxHoundR

          SOmeone has to cry over their lack of intelligence. My dad says it’s a gift.

          • KDM

            Just remind your “Daddy” to pay for your internet little boy! you remind me of the little kids that play COD with the irritating little voice! wait until your Daddy doesn’t pay for your stuff anymore!

          • FoxHoundR

            Why do you hate COD so much? Are you a hipster?

          • Mr T

            how old are you?

          • Argentil

            Probably late teens to early 20′s. I think that’s the ideal troll demographic. The ‘my dad’ schtick is just there to get a rise out of people.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            man go to pick and pay and buy a brain.. prob like 12 or some shit and if your older pat yourself on the back for being a retard, tell you daddy to make you a cock meat sandwich.

          • FoxHoundR

            My dad is actually going to buy nandos later.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            thats nice, tell him to get extra hot okay? so he can burn his asshole raw!

          • FoxHoundR

            You’re a very violent person. I think you need to play Sims this weekend.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            ill rather play hunter hunted with you as my prey. Sound fun?

          • FoxHoundR

            Only if you bring marshmallows.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            I will I promise, and we can play doctor and you can be my special little paitent….. Who needs open heart surgery. but remember I will bring marshmellows for you my boy because your so clever! sure yourn daddy plays with you every night…. esp in the shower you play magic wands I was told.

  • DrKiller

    And that ladies and gentlemen.. is the day Microsoft went bankrupt..

    • FoxHoundR

      That’s the day Microsoft takes pole position. Instead of specializing just with games, Microsoft is diversifying. It’s not just about gaming, it’s about entertainment in your living room. Sony will just copy Microsoft towards the middle of this next generation as they did in the last.

      Sony is really the Apple of gaming. They can’t innovate themselves out of a cardboard box. Microsoft on the other hand has pushed computing and gaming to the next level.

      • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

        Diversifying? You mean only letting people with active internet connections play games? Scew the US troops they care so much about who like to relax by playing games.

        Screw anyone who may be down due to service interruptions, screw anyone who lives in an area where they can’t get proper internet, screw the person who can’t afford internet and now has to give up their hobby.

        They are being narrow minded.

        The product would have been 1000x better if the console wasn’t forced to be online.

        Imagine if you could still use it offline and if you happen to have a good internet connection that you could then get all the extra stuff as a bonus.
        But now instead of selling to the entire market of potential buyers they are now selling EXCLUSIVELY to only those who have proper internet, therefore cutting their potential sales by a huge amount.

        From a business standpoint this is product suicide.

        • FoxHoundR

          The US troops shouldn’t be playing games in the first place. Microsoft is doing the armed forces a solid. Get their minds out of the gutter, and focussed on the task at hand. Fighting Evil, Protecting Freedom!

      • DrKiller

        I really dont think anyone wants to be in the next level for entertainment.. I’m very happy to keep my media player, gaming and DSTV all separate.

        • FoxHoundR

          But most people like to combine functionality. That’s why smart phones are so popular and ipads are clearing off shelves.

  • FoxHoundR

    All the people saying they won’t buy a xbox one are the same people who will buuy a xbox one. My dad says that we can watch DSTV through xbox one. Its going to be awesome.

    • Rainman

      O you poor people, you have to wait till the Xbox comes on sale till you can watch DSTV.

  • Martin du preez

    Don’t be surprised if M$ forces Sony’s hand and dragging them down into this anti consumer hell hole. EA and Activision are in bed with M$ and they are the forerunners of these BS DRM.

    Then when Sony are bullied into accepting this kak M$ will go: LOOK SONY ARE DOING IT TOO!!!! YOU MAD GAMERZ?? #DEALWITHITFUCKERS

    • FoxHoundR

      Sony patented the DRM first and two years ago. So how come EA and Microsoft get the blame? Sony is also the same company that rootkitted music cds and dumped privacy stealing software onto your computer after you played a cd.

      (Foxhound’s dad)

  • ALKi1234

    does the wii u have drm on it’s hard copies?

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      Nope.. well apart from the normal stuff to stop copying..
      but no online registration or rubbish

      • ALKi1234

        Thank Goodness…..so sony don’t have to feel forced to go down this road!GOOOD news thanks.

  • Admiral Chief Commander

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Gavin steals most comments in a heartbeat

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      222 comments as of this comment

      • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

        I’ve unleashed a beast

        • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

          You have indeed

  • nicksimp101

    Sony are really playing this right, keeping dead quiet and assessing the reaction to Xbox One DRM related news. Whether it changes anything that they have already decided is the question?

    • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

      They are most likely biding their time to see what MS’s DRM is and then going in with something only marginally better.

      That or Sony is going to come out at E3 and say, enjoy our console offline everyone!

      One can dream right?

      • TiMsTeR1033

        I pray yout right man! if its offline I will flippin have a party man!

  • Yobokkie

    Cheers xbox, it’s been nice knowing you. If I was you I would totally push the TV thing too, because your machine is certainly not for gamers.

  • TiMsTeR1033

    Think about it this way people if xboone and ps4 does this soon modchips will be coming out in all colours and flavours to play offline… just a thought

    • FoxHoundR

      Piracy is bad.

      • TiMsTeR1033

        if your not careful ill let the baddie pirates ass rape you….

        • FoxHoundR

          Haai sies

  • WoeIsMe

    This definitely means I’m not getting a XBone. A pity. I love my 360.

    Of course we don’t know what Sony is doing yet, butI’m starting to believe the theory that games are withheld from the Wii U because they don’t do DRM.

    Maybe I should just not buy a console next gen, and rather play Monopoly…

  • Brady miaau

    Point 1: I love the family share idea, it does seem very useful.

    Point 2: You never, ever start a guide or sheet with the a negative. Focus on you what you can do, not what you cannot do. This is bad, because it looks like they developed for exclusion rather than inclusion, on the games front at least.

    Point 3: I still think Sony will do something similar and that the publishers are driving this, at least partly.

    Point 4: Sony develops games and owns studio’s. What do their shareholders think about more measures to prevent piracy and having some measure of control AND financial gains from game trading?

    Point 5: I have stopped caring. Really.

  • Rainman

    Does it not bother anyone that both the main console’s main source of income does not come from console/game related sales?

    • Argentil

      If I were to guess, I imagine it would be off their respective subscription offerings. I know that Playstation Plus put Sony PS into profit after operating at a loss for so many years. That said, PS Plus is a game-centric offering anyway. What point are you trying to raise?

      • Rainman

        Sony main income come from the financial sector(Insurance), Microsoft we already know comes from Windows/Office etc.
        The point I am trying to make is that they can affford to gamble a little with their new consoles.
        In the end it will be the gamers who suffer and the gaming industry, not so much the big corporations.

        • Argentil

          You said the main consoles. I assumed you were referring to the Playstation and Xbox departments. As anyone would. Each department operates independently.

          • Rainman

            My bad, should have said corporation.

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            yeah I thought you meant consoles as well :)

          • Argentil

            It doesn’t really bother me. Microsoft and Sony are massive companies supplying many different services.

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      Pretty sure it does unless you have other info?

  • FoxOneZA – X-Therminator

    256th comment.

    • FoxHoundR

      257th comment

      • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

        273 comment

        • FoxHoundR

          Batman of the Month!

        • Trevor Davies

          Gavin, I think you may just win more comments on this article than all other articles for the week combined.

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            No it’s been a good week for comments.. two articles alone yesterday combined for 258 comments

          • flmboy

            It’s easy to win with Flamebait like this.

          • Brady miaau

            Easier to win with Flamebait that is not a true, valid news article, not meant as flamebait.

          • flmboy

            Not referring to the facts that were released last night already on the Xbox website but the tone with which this ‘article’ was written.

          • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

            The tone? hey I started with the good…

  • Tbone187

    Can’t believe what I’m reading…Is piracy so bad in the console market that these measures need to be taken…? I think not…

    • Umar Kiiroi Senk?

      it’s not piracy, they want us to think that. it’s the used game market they are after

      • Tbone187

        I’m inclined to believe that…

    • FoxHoundR

      DS games were pirated. PS2 and PSP were also victims of piracy. So too was the xbox 360.

      You have to protect your intellectual property from the dregs of society. The entitled masses who just want stuff for free, but don’t want to pay.

      • Tbone187

        To such an extent that paying customers are feeling the brunt…? I’ve bought games only to be annoyed by the constant validation and decided to use a crack instead…Piracy will always be there…

    • Brady miaau

      Most the people in my office think I am stupid because my Xbox is not chipped. They all download / torrent games, never pay for them.

      • Tbone187

        I’m a PC gamer so I wouldn’t know for sure…But damn that’s a bit much…I reckon the PC market is gonna have a sudden revival in light of this nonsense…

        • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

          piracy on the Xbox 360 is a severe problem… but I can’t imagine it’s worse than the PC market by %

          • Argentil

            If always online is the consequence of piracy, securing your console should be the first measure of dealing with the problem. The PS3 was the only console to actually fend off viable piracy on it’s console this generation. If they endeavour to keep the PS4 secure, I don’t see why DRM is necessary.

  • TriangularRoom

    Not sure why I would use my Xbone to watch DVDs, Blu Rays and TV when I already have devices that can do that…

    • http://www.lazygamer.co Gavin Mannion

      But can you talk to them.. or do you have to lower yourself to pushing a button on a remote?

      • TriangularRoom

        You’ve got a good point there. I don’t know if I will have the energy to reach out and pick up the remote and then still have to press a button on it…

    • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

      But can you speak to your friends via Skype as you’re watching a bluray? That is innovation.

  • http://twitter.com/hayted hayted

    My mate just came around for a cup of coffee now and I told him how angry I was by this news! He took a sip of his coffee and said something I had not thought of – “Well, then if they are going to do that and pretty much most people will have to buy the games new – That is fine. Surely they don’t think it is fine to charge R600 – R700 a game then because if they trying to get rid of the second hand game market (essentially) and friends swopping so that they don’t lose out of so much money then they had better bring their game prices down to reflect that”.

    • Argentil

      This has been said before, but it will not be the case. It’s up to the publishers to push down the prices of their games. If the market is buying their games for R700, without pressure, why would they feel the need to lower the price?

      • Argentil

        I’d also like to add that MS are going half-arsed with the Used games side, you will still be able to trade in your games, only at BTGames most likely. And because BTGames will not be competing with other game outlets, the price of used games will increase, most likely.

  • Johan du Preez

    This seems normal for MS

  • Aussious

    A snapshot of Microsoft’s exco meeting…

    • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

      No those are MBA graduates from UCT business school.

  • http://lazygamer.net/ OVG

    I want Darryn to go up to the Microsoft E3 panel in his BATMAN costume and shout.

  • Allister Lesar

    what a bunch of dumbasses thats alli can say Microsoft = STOOOOOPID!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lj.roos LJ Roos
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  • Darren Peach

    I hope the PS4 does not feature any DRM. The level of control publishers are forcing down our throats ( Microsoft included ) Is bordering on human rights abuses ( Not really but it gets my point across). They are saying, Fuck you consumer. Your money is not good enough. We want to control every aspect of your life if you use our product. We are going to close down many businesses around the world because we feel the need to control the products we are selling and you have no right to do anything once you have finished with it. I hope BT Games survives this……..

  • Is.it.jsut.me

    And still I’d rather get an Xbox One than a PS4

  • Natty Dave

    the xbone seems like the ultimate creation of the toy’s in sids room. “We toys can seeeeee evvveeerrrryythiiiing”

    http://youtu.be/ssBBMgzn8fw

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  • schitsophrenic-toothbrush

    Well I guess my decision has been made for me…A PC it is!!!!! FU Xbox… atleast i can get ready for elder scrolls online :P

  • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

    Remember to tweet #XboxOneDayOne guys.